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Old 10-19-2007, 03:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I did some searches and it doesn't seem like anyone has found a way to do this yet. Has anyone had any luck doing this? I find it hard to believe that a smart phone like the curve cannot do this.

It is a great phone but kind of worthless as a PDA replacement if there is hardly any room for 3rd party applications.

Any rumors of a fix for this? Nursing Programs are 10-12mb a piece.
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Worthless is such a great word.

Actually this is the first time I'm hearind a BB referred to as worthless because it can't load programs to the microSD card....
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Worthless is such a great word.

Actually this is the first time I'm hearind a BB referred to as worthless because it can't load programs to the microSD card....
Worthless as a PDA relacement for someone that needs drug guides, etc for the job. Since there is not enough internal space for these programs, someone would still have to have a BB and a PDA. Two big devices to carry all day for a 12hour shift seems pretty drastic.

For me I just need email and calendar functions. Programs for me are just for fun and new features. I need email and calendar functions for work.
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worthless as a PDA replacement
The BlackBerry isn't a PDA. Why would anyone consider a BlackBerry to replace their PDA? If one needs a PDA, then one should stick with a PDA.
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The BlackBerry isn't a PDA. Why would anyone consider a BlackBerry to replace their PDA? If one needs a PDA, then one should stick with a PDA.
I find that ironic being that that is one of the main selling points for smartphones. I used to have a regular phone and a PDA. I kept my schedule and contacts on the PDA. Then smartphones came out that did everything in one device.

Being able to install programs on memory cards is an important feature for many professionals. Especially professions that do not want to carry two devices. I know that we have a hard time seeing other uses for devices other than what we use it for but many professionals need dosage calculators, etc.
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There's a larger hurdle here, not quite sure how you would even design an application for a blackberry knowing that the memory constraints would prohibit the mainstream acceptance of your product / program.

What language is this application written in? If it is compiled for a MS smart phone then you would have bigger issues then it just not fitting inside the available memory on the device.

If an application like this were to be developed for the BB I could see it storing the data on a server and fed through a BES server via MDS, then you could easily support the application and just cache the needed data to the device.

It's a whole different approach from a coding standpoint no matter what when you compare a native Windows Mobile application to a native BB app. Might as well take a radically different approach at how it works while you're at it.
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I think having data stored on the removable SD card presents a whole new security issue. As it is on the BB device memory, it is locked down pretty dang tight.
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There's a larger hurdle here, not quite sure how you would even design an application for a blackberry knowing that the memory constraints would prohibit the mainstream acceptance of your product / program.

What language is this application written in? If it is compiled for a MS smart phone then you would have bigger issues then it just not fitting inside the available memory on the device.

If an application like this were to be developed for the BB I could see it storing the data on a server and fed through a BES server via MDS, then you could easily support the application and just cache the needed data to the device.

It's a whole different approach from a coding standpoint no matter what when you compare a native Windows Mobile application to a native BB app. Might as well take a radically different approach at how it works while you're at it.
What I find funny is that on handango if you do a search for nursing under the curve they have all these useful programs available for the curve. All of them require a minimum of 10mb! How do they sell those programs if no one can install them?
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Because they will sell anything to anyone.

You may have chosen the wrong device.
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There are users that can install them, 10mb would fit just fine on a fresh BB with 30mb free. Now that I have loaded about 5 gps apps, 7-8 games, BBAlerts, etc., it would not fit.
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Because they will sell anything to anyone.

You may have chosen the wrong device.
True. Research is the first thing anyone should do when moving to any new device. Phone, car, TV...anything. Research will tell anyone that a BB is not a PDA replacement.
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True. Research is the first thing anyone should do when moving to any new device. Phone, car, TV...anything. Research will tell anyone that a BB is not a PDA replacement.
I didn't exactly get into three curves blindly. I wanted UMA and I have been with Blackberry for years. My needs were diffrent than my wifes and I put the UMA feature as a top priority for me. I personally talk over 6000 minutes a month just by myself between work and play. I also wanted my wife to get email like I do.

Unfortunately I overestimated this device's memory capacity with additional programs. I assumed that it could load programs to a memory stick.
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I personally talk over 6000 minutes a month just by myself
Wow! I hope those are some good conversations ;)

No, seriously...that would be a nice feature to run programs off the memory card....
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Wow! I hope those are some good conversations ;)

No, seriously...that would be a nice feature to run programs off the memory card....

indeed it would.. that is one thing ill say i miss about my treo.. but on the other hand.. it makes me think long and hard about what apps i need and dont need
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indeed it would.. that is one thing ill say i miss about my treo.. but on the other hand.. it makes me think long and hard about what apps i need and dont need
I am in dental implant sales and I am on the phone continuously with dentists. That makes me very picky about the phones I use. The curve is perfect for me and would be perfect for my wife if there was just a little more memory.
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Sorry but I have to agree with another and say you have got the wrong device. You will find a Windows PDA Phone more to what you need and their is tons of software out there for it.

A Blackbery is, well it is what it is and people who need email and a good phone will defend it to their death!
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Worthless as a PDA relacement for someone that needs drug guides, etc for the job. Since there is not enough internal space for these programs, someone would still have to have a BB and a PDA.
You do have a point, but I remember seeing in one of those many software e-stores a program for Blackberry that required a media card. The program resided in the system memory, but its data would stay in the memory card. I think it was a dictionary. I can't remember.

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I think having data stored on the removable SD card presents a whole new security issue. As it is on the BB device memory, it is locked down pretty dang tight.
I guess you can always resort to the memory card encryption feature...
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Hi, i'm a nursing student switching from Palm TX to a blackberry once the store receives their 8310 shipment. I understand your concerns. As a nurse running around on the floor with pockets filled with pens, syringes, bandages, pen light, etc, i don't have enough room for both a cell phone and a PDA so i decided to get a blackberry. I decided to wait once there more available software for blackberries. Here's what I found.

Have you ever heard of Pepid.com? It was highly recommended by the Dean of Nursing in my school for Palm and PPC.. and now.. it's available on the blackberry. It's an all-in-one suite [drugs, labs, diagnoses, etc] subscription service so the software will always be up to date. No need to buy a new version once new discoveries are found.. that's the field of medicine for ya.. anyways..

hopefully these links will help...

PEPID Medical Information Services for PDA, Pocket PC, Mobile Wireless & Online Use

Nursing Software:
PEPID RN Clinical Care Nursing PDA Software & Online Interface

MicroSD question: PEPID Support Frequently Asked Questions

Memory Space Requirements:
PEPID Support Frequently Asked Questions

i haven't tried this out yet, but once i get my blackberry and have my software installed [RN Student Clinical Suite], I'll let you know.

Good Luck!!!
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Hey, thanks, greenflames, and welcome to the BBForums.
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