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Old 12-23-2007, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay, I searched and taxed the hell out of the BBForums server... Here is a great question and one that will benefit most of us, I think.

I have the T-Mo 8320 and I am trying to figure out what browser choice (T-Zones, Internet Browser, Wi-Fi Browser) to use, and more importantly what settings to use (Browser Config, General Properties, Cache Operations) to make the best of the Wi-Fi connection. What are the opinions of the several of you that are extremely skilled in these fine arts?
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I haven't used wifi but I would definitely use the internet browser over the tzones browser.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I just got my blackberry 8320 and I can't download anything to my phone, even using the usb cable. Do I have to have the blackberry service in order to download anything and use a browser to go to the internet?
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No BB plan = waste of a beautiful machine. It turns the BB8320 into $450 MSRP sms powerhouse.

As per the original thread, I have been using:

Browser Config:
Support JavaScript ON
Allow JS popups OFF
Support HTML tables ON
Use FG and BG colors ON
BG images ON
Embedded Media ON
Support SS ON
SS media type: Handheld
Show images: WML & HTML
Emu mode: Microsoft IE
Content mode: WML & HTML
Start page: Bookmarks

General Properties:
Default Browser: WiFi
Default Font Family: BBMillibank
Default size: 6
Min size: 6
Min style: plain
Default view: Mobile
image quality: medium
JavaScript location support: ON


Haven't played around with it much, but thats what I'm using while on UMA and its working fine.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:15 AM   #5 (permalink)
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You should be able to use the wifi browser on a wifi network even without a BB data plan.
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Grammer, thanks for your settings.

I have twice been down to my local Panera (yesterday and today) trying to get the 8320 browser to display the login screen at the WiFi there. I have the 8320 set up correctly, but I get (after a lot of loading activity) a "communications error" message. This has been reported on other forums in the past, too.

I logged in with my laptop, and the only thing unusual I saw about their login page was a Flash image. I had my Embedded Media: OFF, but have now turned it to ON. Who knows?

In general the inbuilt BB browser is OK for the minimal use I want to make of it. But I really need to be able to log into Panera, Hotels, etc, so that I can UMA through their WiFi connections, especially when overseas. So reliability is paramount.

I did install Mini Opera, but I couldn't see any way to shift that from using the wap.voicestream.com WAP APN to connecting via WiFi

Back again tomorrow, I guess. I would appreciate any ideas to try.. Should I try turn off the BES perhaps?(until after I am logged in to the portal). I wonder how I could do that?

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It won't work with Opera Mini....don't bother.

I am able to use the browser to authenticate on pages that require it. That being said, there are just some networks where it won't work. There are limitations to the wifi system on the BB's--important to know that from the get-go.

You can't "turn off" the BES.
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Thanks for the reply, John. It is only our local Panera that I have had trouble with up to now, and I have been traveling around to all the local hotels, etc. I just don't want to arrive in some far-flung country hotel and find that they used the same web designer as my local Panera store did

Yes, I do understand why Operamini won't connect to WiFi. I have been using wap.voicestream.com for nearly 5 years now (maybe longer, actually, as I used it before Voicestream was bought by T-Mobile)

I love the 8320. It will fill the gap right up to my (tiny Fuj. P1510D) laptop, saving me from carting around the IPAQ 2415 with WM2003. Except when I need TomTom, that is. Google maps on the 8320 is nice, but is not at TomTom routing reliability yet...
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You can always try TeleNav. I use TeleNav with a bluetooth puck on my 8320. I like it. (it's $10/month)

There's no telling what networks overseas are going to be like. I purchased a Linksys WTR54G travel router to help with the hotel problem, as well. Works great for connecting my 8320 and my laptop to one paid internet connection. I purchase internet with my laptop, then plug in the router (which is configured to clone my laptop's mac address) then I connect my laptop and BB to the travel router.
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I just bought a WTR54G - tried it out for the first time tonight at Panera with my laptop. It didn't propagate Panera's login page temporary DNS address, I think. Something went wrong anyway, everything was connected, but the laptop couldn't surf anywhere except WRT54's own web server. I had previously set up and tested the router at home to both the 8320, and the laptop, with wired LAN DHCP input, and I just switched it to the Panera WiFi access point using the WTR54's web control interface when I got to the store.

Cloning the MAC address is a brilliant idea - I will try that tomorrow.

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download OPERA MINI browser. Free @ operamini.com
Full Web Browser/Access more sites than the default browsers that come with the phone.
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Old 12-30-2007, 06:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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gqstatus05, welcome to the forums.

Thanks for the tip about Opera Mini. It's pretty well known about here, though.
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Old 12-30-2007, 06:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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gqstatus05: The problem with Opera Mini is that it doesn't allow switching of its communication data from WAP to WiFi on those phones, such as my BB 8320, which have WiFi installed. Whatever else it might do, it is pretty useless for me until this issue is fixed
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good browser none the less i think. Use the browser for wifi.
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I used the above settings and it really sped up browsing at my house, but now in the car i can't get on the internet. Is there a way to toggle between browsers? Is there a trick to setting up bookmarks so they use one or the other? I am obviously missing something.
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I know this isnt an Opera Mini thread but I have a question about the browser. Everytime I try to install it on my 8320 it tells it FAILED TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET and does not install. Any suggestions??
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JavaScript location support: ON
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What does this do?
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@trevmar
If I remember right, the browser cant handle flash just yet, no matter what emulation you use(ms ie, bb broswer, netscape) . I believe some say that OS 4.3 might be able to let us see flash files. But as in the first part, any page that uses flash, you wont be able to view/play it. I have my BB 8320 hooked up to several different routers and I get nothing when I try to view anything flash. I say try to go to youtube on your phone and see if you can view any movies on there. This is of course on a router that you can connect to. Good Luck!
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Anyone find Operamini draining the battery like crazy?
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I keep javascript set to "prompt" when needed. When I had the Sidekick, even though it had twice as much memory as the Curve I now have, if there was one thing that could cause memory clogs, it was browsing a lot of web sites with java scripts. With it turned off, pages load faster and the cache doesn't fill as fast. Interestingly, there seem to be plenty of web sites that have java scripts, but which load and work just fine with it turned off, and I don't get prompted for it either. In fact, I've only been prompted to activate java script once since I've had the Curve.
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