Can I get push e-mail without getting data plan? I am with Rogers and I will just get the $15 unlimited personal e-mail.

in short...no.

you need data. unless rogers has a specific blackberry e-mail only plan. it won't work with any other generic data or e-mail plans.

From experience if you set up a Nokia with Symbian OS correctly, you can recieve email at almost push speed. However it requires you leaving the phone connected to your inbox. On the other hand you can set up the Nokia with your details and select 'retrieve email' every now and again.
Hope this helps.
P.S. the same goes for such things as the M and P series Sony Ericsson phones.

Wirelessly posted (Verizon 8830)

http://blackberryfaq.com/index.php/W...ta_Plan_for%3F

Looking at the Rogers site, it says in the 'Blackberry Personal Email' plan description that:

* Real-time push email delivery is available with Rogers Yahoo!, Yahoo! Mail, and Google gmail accounts integrated with BIS (BlackBerry Internet Service). All other personal email is delivered every 2 – 15 minutes depending on the service provider and the frequency of use.

So it depends on where your mail is coming from. It also appears that the plan will require you to get setup on BIS.

Note that Rogers does take steps to force you into specific Blackberry plans, so they may play games with your device. For instance, if you get the basic BIS plan but try to get connected to a corporate BES, you'll find that connections to your corporate BES are blocked through Rogers until you upgrade to the BES plan.

Also, with the $15 unlimited email plan, other connectivity is not permitted, so things like the built-in Yahoo and AIM clients can't connect. It doesn't include web browsing either.

But the OP is asking about the BB.

How is this playing games at all? The Corporate plan allows for other things than the personal plan. And to get email on the device, you need a BIS plan from ANY carrier, its not just Rogers. BIS is setup between 3-15 minute intervals for nearly all emails (carrier.blackberry.net/gmail/yahoo excluded)

Correct. I have 2 users in my office on personal BB's that signed up for the Rogers $15 "unlimited" email plan (I wonder how many of those poor folks are suckered into thinking that includes unlimited browsing?) and Enterprise Activation isn't even an option on their devices.

Do you by any chance know if those users are getting push? or do they have to pull. I would love to have an alert whenever an e-mail comes in.

BB is not a pull device. if they get email, its push.

But how would it be continously checking for e-mail and pushing. I heard if I get the $15 personal email plan, its no browser or anything. I only get e-mail. I hope its still push

All BB email is push. BIS is set up to poll your accounts but once BIS retrieves mail it is pushed to the BB. The BB does not support pull email (BIS and the BB are two separate things).

I consider it game-playing when they force you to upgrade to the 7MB plan from the 4MB plan in order to access a BES from home on a third-party ISP. It was working fine on the 4MB plan, but then I called them for another issue and revealed that I was on a BES, and low-and-behold, suddenly I couldn't get BES access anymore from my home wifi. As soon as I upgraded to 7MB plan, I could reach it again.

It appears they have the ability to block access to a BES even if the traffic is not carried on their network.

It's through BIS, so it must be pushed to the BB from the BIS service.

I just set up BIS to sync with my Gmail account and it works pretty quickly.