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Old 08-06-2008, 10:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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currently have a verizon curve. its setup with one BES address and 3 BIS AOL/AIM addresses.

if i receive an email to one of my aol/aim addresses my bb gets the email almost immediately (5 seconds max). when i had an ATT curve there was the 15 minute polling period i had to deal with. so i assume that aol/aim mail servers are sending realtime (push) email notifications on the verizon network, but for some reason they dont do this with ATT??? why would that be?

second, with a BES account sent/received/deleted emails are all synched between the bb and your mailbox. why cant we duplicate that with BIS accounts?? if you can synch deleted items with a bis account, seems to me that it would be trivial to add full synch functionality so that emails sent from the bb also get copied to the sent items of your bis mailboxes. anyone know of any talk in this area?
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I have att and there is zero downtown from the time the email is sent to the time I get it, unless there are large attachments involved, but still that doesn't take long.
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I have att and there is zero downtown from the time the email is sent to the time I get it, unless there are large attachments involved, but still that doesn't take long.
with an AOL email account??? if thats the case then its relatively new. ATT always had instant notification with yahoo and gmail accounts, but not aol. can you confirm?
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BIS and BES are two totally separate animals for two different groups of users. BES uses wireless sync via your company's BES and is a business systems. BIS is the personal plan with RIM pushing email only to the BB.

Keep in mind, too, that anything personal on the device connected to BES is no longer personal. The company can see it if they so desire, especially since they pay the freight. Not saying they will, just that they could. That is why I never recommend putting anything personal on a device connected to BES, or even using a personal devcie on a company BES.
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uh... what was the point here? im an exchange/bes admin for my company so yes... we all understand the things you just pointed out LOL. but how does anything you just said answer any of the questions posted in this thread?

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second, with a BES account sent/received/deleted emails are all synched between the bb and your mailbox. why cant we duplicate that with BIS accounts?? if you can synch deleted items with a bis account, seems to me that it would be trivial to add full synch functionality so that emails sent from the bb also get copied to the sent items of your bis mailboxes. anyone know of any talk in this area?
You mean reconciliation.

Some providers have partial reconciliation but we don't understand what happens "behind the scenes" between RIM and these providers so it's difficult to really have a discussion on those. IMAP seems like it should fully reconcile but for whatever reason, RIM hasn't set up BIS to fully reconcile via IMAP. OWA and BIS seem to offer partial reconciliation but, again, I haven't really heard from people who understand how this happens. Sure, everything seems simple when you aren't aware of the details...

Considering that BES is RIM's flagship product I can't see them really pushing to offer all of BES's functionality on BIS anyway. In any case, BES is a totally different animal from BIS so I don't see the "if BES has X then why can't BIS have it as well" reasoning.

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if i receive an email to one of my aol/aim addresses my bb gets the email almost immediately (5 seconds max). when i had an ATT curve there was the 15 minute polling period i had to deal with. so i assume that aol/aim mail servers are sending realtime (push) email notifications on the verizon network, but for some reason they dont do this with ATT??? why would that be?
I seem to recall reading that something had changed with BIS and AOL recently. When did you last setup AOL with BIS on at&t? When did you set up AOL with BIS on Verizon?

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