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Old 09-29-2008, 11:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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just curious... i have a free hotmail account setup and working fine on my bb. how is this happening though since ms doesnt provide pop or imap access to the free accounts? is the bis site connecting via http like outlook express was able to do on windows xp?
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BIS is connecting to Hotmail using specialized integration. It's neither POP nor IMAP... much like the way Yahoo and GMail are integrated with BIS.

For Hotmail, this just started with BIS 2.5, not too long ago.
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hhmmm... im thinking more along the lines that hotmail sees that its a bb and is allowing a connection to one of the standard (and pretty much only) protocols to retrieve email. unless you know something with documentation to back it up? "specialized integration" would suggest that rim and ms got together and developed a whole new protocol to retrieve email, and i doubt that
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POP and IMAP are the only email protocols? That's just nonsense.

GMail has been integrated with BIS since before GMail even had POP or IMAP access to your mailbox.
BIS integrates with the Web Service provided by GMail and I suspect they did the same
thing with Yahoo. Turn off POP or IMAP on your Yahoo account (or GMail), and BIS will continue to function. Same thing with OWA, and now hotmail.

No new email protocols are being created for this purpose. BIS is integrating with the web services, and yes, RIM did get together with these mail providers to work out the specialized integration.
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Microsoft actually played nice for a change (or got paid well enough)...
w w w . p c m a g . c o m /article2/0,2817,2304328,00.asp (you'll have to take the spaces out of the link as I don't have enough posts to make a link in these forums yet it seems).
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Thanks for the link (Windows Messenger, Hotmail Move to BlackBerry - News and Analysis by PC Magazine) Also to be able to post more links, welcome some members in the new members forum, or take a peek at the off topic section. You can get your 10 posts very quickly there.
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Thanks JS for the clicky link... I usually try to up my post count with relevant posts when in a good community like this one seems to be. I figure I'll get there sooner or later. Though it would appear that I just did a boost post just now doesn't it
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POP and IMAP are the only email protocols? That's just nonsense.

GMail has been integrated with BIS since before GMail even had POP or IMAP access to your mailbox.
BIS integrates with the Web Service provided by GMail and I suspect they did the same
thing with Yahoo. Turn off POP or IMAP on your Yahoo account (or GMail), and BIS will continue to function. Same thing with OWA, and now hotmail.

No new email protocols are being created for this purpose. BIS is integrating with the web services, and yes, RIM did get together with these mail providers to work out the specialized integration.
hhmmm... do you know what owa is doing in the background to access the exchange server? without pop, imap, http, (or possibly webdav and/or http, or mapi in cases like outlook) youre really not going to get your email. even a well written web service (of which i have written many) are using a standard tcp protocol in the background. get it? so take my word for it, the actual retrieval of your mail from the mailbox is happening via one of these protocols.
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hhmmm... do you know what owa is doing in the background to access the exchange server? without pop, imap, http, (or possibly webdav and/or http, or mapi in cases like outlook) youre really not going to get your email. even a well written web service (of which i have written many) are using a standard tcp protocol in the background. get it? so take my word for it, the actual retrieval of your mail from the mailbox is happening via one of these protocols.
Cool... so you've got it all figured out then.
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POP and IMAP are the only email protocols? That's just nonsense.

GMail has been integrated with BIS since before GMail even had POP or IMAP access to your mailbox.
BIS integrates with the Web Service provided by GMail and I suspect they did the same
thing with Yahoo. Turn off POP or IMAP on your Yahoo account (or GMail), and BIS will continue to function. Same thing with OWA, and now hotmail.

No new email protocols are being created for this purpose. BIS is integrating with the web services, and yes, RIM did get together with these mail providers to work out the specialized integration.

from the blackberry site:

Note: Windows Live Hotmail uses the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) to connect to mailboxes. The BlackBerry Internet Service uses this external HTTP access to retrieve email messages from Windows Live Hotmail accounts.

see that? you learned somethign new today
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Cool... so you've got it all figured out then.
as you just read in my last response to you... i sure do ;)
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from the blackberry site:

Note: Windows Live Hotmail uses the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) to connect to mailboxes. The BlackBerry Internet Service uses this external HTTP access to retrieve email messages from Windows Live Hotmail accounts.

see that? you learned somethign new today
Maybe I'm taking crazy pills today... but I seem to remember telling you much earlier in the thread that BIS used the Web Service for message retrieval.
What you found confirms that... and you think it's ME that learned something new?
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okay so how do you access your hotmail accnt through your bb?
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Log into your BIS account and add your hotmail account. Then send your service books.
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