Go to your BB desktop and click Menu -> Show All and see if you see the icon. Also look in Options -> Advanced Options -> Applications and see if it's in there.

I actually have to change my Platform.alx file first to see if it's there since it's hidden.

I wonder if that's why the JavaLoader method isn't working.

Am I totally misunderstanding this, and thinking that the Platform.alx method hides it, while the JavaLoader method deletes it? My goal is to have it totally off the device, so maybe Platform.alx does that, too, but leaves the ability to put it back on (one day, when I want to see it).

You know ...I'm really not 100% sure. I would say put the .alx file back to how it was and try removing it again. That should free up the space it's taking up.

Maybe somebody with more knowledge on this can confirm?

OK, I think I answered my own question.

Changing the .alx file will actually remove the files from the device because the app loader suddenly doesn't recognize them, and deletes them from the device. So, the two methods net out with the same end result - no PTT on the device at all (not just hidden). Changing the .alx file allows you to change it back and get the feature back on easily. I have no clue how to get them back on with JavaLoader, but I'd assume it can be done.

The reason JavaLoader wasn't working was in deed because the .alx method had already removed the files, so the JavaLoader command didn't do anything since there was nothing for it to act on.

Thanks so much for the help and for putting up with me!

I'm not putting up with you ...we're learning together! lol

Good stuff ...next time (if there is one) that I do a master reset, I'm going to try your way of removing it.

It is ashame that RIM does not allow you to just go to Applications and delete it!

Yeah it looks like they want to make it a chore so that people will maybe start using it more since somebody is going to make money on the service.

I removed PTT yesterday and did notice a faster transition between applications. Thanks to all who posted specific instructions in removing this, great job!!

Wirelessly posted (Curve: Opera/8.01 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/3.1.8295/1704; en; U; ssr))

I'm trying to remove PTT (among other things) on a new AT&T Curve. Since the disk that came with the curve seems to not actually have the software, I'm going to have to download it. Problem is, the AT&T site seems to be designed to almost hide the software download. Does anyone know where to download the update from AT&T?

My understanding is that I can't use either method (ALX or Javaloader) without downloading the software from AT&T first... If I'm wrong, please let me know. This PTT is really slowing down the phone since I let it activate (oops).

Thanks!

The "javaloader" method does not require the download of the OS software.

Here's the link to the AT&T Blackberry download site:
https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads...E4F82F9F00E7D4

--Kidd

You folks really rock! Using Javaloader method, PTT is now off my device.

Many thanks to all who contributed here. Helped me out a lot!

Jim

Ok, got javaloader on my c drive...proceeded to open a command promt window and entered a string of info, and got a not recognized.

Can anyone help me from this point foward please?

Make sure javaloader is in the directory where the command prompt window is. Then make sure your 8300 is turned on and connected via usb cable. Third, copy the first javaloader command exactly as it is posted and hit enter.

The curve will reset after that and once it is done, do the same for the second.

If you have done all this, have you connected to the curve to your desktop before? If not, install the desktop software and drivers.

If you've done that too...... hmmmm.... what type of machine/os are you running?

Greetings,

Thanks to everyone for the help. I just wanted to let you know that there is another way to remove the files via the alx... a way that takes a bit more time but will help to avoid any future weirdness with vendorID.

Just comment out the appropriate lines. For example, for PTT:

<!-- <fileset pttApp="True" Java="1.0" _vendorID="102"> -->
<!-- <files> -->
<!-- net_rim_bb_phone_ptt_app.cod -->
<!-- KnJCDE.cod -->
<!-- </files> -->
<!-- </fileset> -->

In case you can't read the codes... comment out each line individually:

At the beginng of the line: Less Than, Exclamation, Dash, Dash
At the end of the line: Dash, Dash, Greater Than

If you then run the apploader, you will see that it is removing the files you commented out because it "Doesn't Recognize" them.

Gerdofal

thank you for trying to clarify...... thing is, I cannot "Make sure javaloader is in the directory where the command prompt window is."

The file I downloaded from a post here, it just blinks open and then closes. I'm at a loss, I feel like a second grader that I cannot follow this damned removal tool!

I'm on windows xp.

I have no clue where to type that......

It doesn't really matter where you place the file, and you don't have to run it. When you type in the command at the DOS prompt make sure you type in the file's location.

For example, if you put the file JavaLoader.exe directly in your C:\ drive, then when you have your device connected click on Start>Run... and a familiar looking DOS window will open. At the blinking cursor in the DOS window type in the following:

C:\JavaLoader -usb erase -f net_rim_bb_phone_ptt_app.cod

The phone's screen will turn white and you'll see a little diagram showing it is connecting, then the phone will completely reset; that might take a couple minutes. When the phone is restarted and back on the Home screen type the other command into the DOS window as follows:

C:\JavaLoader -usb erase -f KnJCDE.cod

Edit: To explain very simply what is going on, when you type a location and filename followed by a command or series of commands as above, your PC's operating system goes to that location and runs those commands using that filename.

The phone will do the same thing. If perchance it does not restart by itself, restart it manually. You can disconnect it first if that is easier. After that restart you should no longer have PTT installed.

If, just as another example to make the file location easy for you to comprehend, you have the file JavaLoader.exe in a different location, say D:\Downloads\JavaLoader\JavaLoader.exe, then what you would type into the command line instead of C:\JavaLoader is

D:\Downloads\JavaLoader\JavaLoader

Followed, of course, by the rest of the command as in the first example.

Hope this helps!

Jim

Ok, looks like it's staying on my curve and I appreciate you trying to help.

I'm appalled that I cannot grasp this! hahahahah I refuse to carry this thread/posting on, when it must be easy enough for others to accomplish it. Thanks again....

Maybe down the line, I'll give it another try once my brain stops swelling!

IsleAquatica-NiuNiu, I'm sorry if I missed this, but if you haven't tried the .alx method, you really should. The net result is the same (it takes it off the device), and is a bit easier in my opinion than the JavaLoader/JLCommander method. I had no luck with that method, and wanted to be able to put it back on the device if I sold it.

for some reason I can't open javaloader

See my problem...location of the app makes the difference

I am at my wit's end trying to permanently delete PTT. I have modified the platform.alx file by changing the vender code, and changing all references to ptt to false, and ptt still shows up. I have used javaloader to delete it directly, which works until I use the DM app loader, which tells me I have a system update to perform, and there ptt is again.
Can I delete the cod from the Java folder? Would that cause some kind of error that would prevent the rest of the system from loading correctly?
Zane

The easiest way is to simply remove the two PTT associated .cod's from the java folder and store them somewhere else just in case you want to put them back (you can delete them if you think you'll never use it.) Then Desktop Manager/Application loader will remove them and will not want to reinstall them.

The two .cod's are:

net_rim_bb_phone_ptt_app.cod
KnJCDE.cod

I think someone said you EITHER do the vendor code OR the true to false swap in platform.alx.

Sorry if you've tried them separately, but it sounds like you tried to be super thorough, and may have ended up causing your problem.

Thanks, John. I thought that removing them would work, I just didn't want to mess things up by doing that. I will give it a try.
Zane

uh... why exactly does ptt bother people? just dont freakin use it if you dont want to.

I have to agree. I got rid of mine and it made no difference in the phones performance. None!

It's not that big of a deal, however, on the curve and 8100 there are memory issues and the less you can have on the device, the better. PTT always runs in the background using memory. It's quite helpful to get rid of apps not being used so as to lessen the chance of lost call logs and emails.

sounds good in theory, but before i did a rig job to uninstall something that came pre-installed, I'd have to see the research that proves that lost call logs or email are a result of, or can be fixed by removing ptt... ive never lost an email OR a call log. plus im sure eventually ill run into someone that has ptt and wants to use it, so i like it there

If you use PTT then it's of value on the device and obviously worth leaving installed. If you don't then the space can be used for other things. To each his own. As far as being a direct result of PTT on or off the device, no, it's not directly related. However, call logs and emails being deleted IS directly related to the amount of free memory available on the device. There are many other things that can be safely removed from the device if not being used. This is the method of helping with the lost call log/email issue.

The fix is so easy and can be put back so easy - why not just do it?????

Hiding it, is all i do with it. I'm apparently not as tech savvy as I thought!!

I'd like to rid of some other icons/programs which I don't use either.

BTW....has anyone tried to make, for example, the manage connections and options "hide"? There is no option to hide them. Theme dependant possibly.

I noticed a good performance boost by removing PTT. IT made the curve feel nearly as fast as early-O/S 8700 w/o PTT, YMMV.

Prior to removing PTT for the first few weeks, there was noticable hesitation when scrolling over icons (is this still called the 'ribbon?') on the home screen. That hesitation reminded me of the hesitation I've seen when running a theme. It's very slight, but very annoying.

Sometimes the same hesitation creeps up if there are a log of log entries (alt+LGLG) which should be cleared.

Maybe my phone's different or maybe I'm more sensitive to it. I know my COO noticed it (and he's always rebooted his blackberry every time he gets off a plane, so it gets rebooted alot). We removed PTT on his curve, and the hesitation that he too noticed, was gone. Maybe we got a bad batch of Curves from AT&T?

That's my experience.

I would imagine myself, that removing applications does some sort of small justice for the OS. I mean, as far as I see it, and I seem to be light years beyond all of your knowledge, it's just having to route through more programs unless you remove them, like a PC. :::shrug:::

I hope to PM someone to get the "how to remove for dummies" hahahah

I don't want the option to reinatll it, as I'll never use it. Just not something I care to use.

Are there any reports of removing it being a bad thing to do for the phone by any chance?

I'm not sure you phrased your statement correctly... Removing PTT should have no effect on the other apps or email on your device. If you don't use it just either remark it out or change the vendor ID in the platform.alx

That was fun! Never knew about that.

Hey there. Thanks.

I was just asking if there is any underlying reason, why people should maybe NOT remove it. As you stated, I'm guessing not. Just wanted to be sure. I'll not be removing mine anytime soon. ha!

If you remove PTT successfully and wish to reinstall it later, what do you need to do? I'm thinking of removing it, but wish to provision for an uncertain future if it comes to needing it installed again.

One nitpick for you, IsleAquatica-NiuNiu - you may wish to change your tagline as "you're" is a contraction for "you are", so your tagline concludes with "you are death sits in that cage..." in its present form.

I posted this above. Click here.

To add PTT back, simply put the two .cod's back into that folder again and run Application Loader and they will reinstall the same way they uninstalled.

Thank you!