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Old 07-18-2007, 10:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well after enjoying my iphone for about 2 weeks, it's gone! I decided to bring it back to Apple and get my money back.
First off I must say, the thing is HOT! A real cool device to use, and it does just about everything Apple says it does (and well). However, like most devices out there, it does have it's share of flaws and bugs! I won't get too much into it, but the. reason I returned it is really pretty simple.

I was working out this past Saturday afternoon, and. of course listening to music on my iphone! And bam just like that the thing went into a freeze, no rhyme or reason as to why! But anyone who has ever had an ipod will know what I'm talking about. So here I am with my $600 wonder phone, and I can't do anything at all, no phone calls, no music, no battery pulls, not a thing to do, except sit there and let the battery die!

So I let the battery die, and then charge it up again and everything looks fine. Right up until it did it again, this time while I was on the web Sunday, mr freeze strikes again! So back in the box and off to Apple we go. Simple return and not a peep from the Apple employee, of course he asked why, but when I told him he simply just asked for my amex to do a refund back to my card. And that's that!

So here I was Monday deciding on what to do, and what device to use! I decided to go back to my 8800. So I went to see my guy at at&t to pick up a new sim card and let him change my features in the system! So me and him are talking and he hits me with why don't you try the Cuve again. I told him nah, I'm goin back to old reliable!

So like the sales guy he is, he try's to convince me to do an upgrade and get the Curve! So back and fourth we're goin, and I'm telling him I'm gonna wait about a month till they fix some build quality issues and what not. Long story short he pulls one out from a brand new shipment and I start my inspection, I'm figuring to find the loose rubber sides, squeaky corners, and loose mic piece! How wrong I was my. friends, none of the above!

Anyway, as I'm holding it in my hand I remembered how great the form factor was, and how comfortable it is to use. So I caved, and took it! Two days later and I have no issues at all. Everything is still tight and no issues under the hood as well. I went through a ton of Curves when it first dropped, and had my share of issues with build quality and what not. But it looks as if RIM has fixed all that, and I can honestly say I'm finally happy with the Curve once and for all.

In closing I'll say this. I've always stuck to my guns by saying the BB platform is the best at what it does, which is push email! That's why my trusty 8830 for business will not be replaced by any devices any time soon!

However if RIM really gets it's act together and starts putting out devices that have no issues with build quality like there older models, and step up their media features, and what not, all while having that trusty push email, they will be tough to compete with! And the same goes for the iphone, sooner or later apple will figure out how to put push email on their upcoming devices! But I think RIM has the upper hand, if they put out a real sexy device, namely the 9XXXX series! And it's packed with all the goodies we all want, as well as being nicely priced!


Well all I have to say is, at that point all the other companies will probably shed a tear, and have plenty of work to do in the lab. All of us will just have to wait and see, should be an interesting end to 2007, and beginning to 2008 for the mobile tech world!

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Old 07-18-2007, 10:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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wow, thats a mouth full... i've only owned a bb for ALMOST a year but, i don't think i'll ever use a device from another manufacturer... RIM has it hands down... i've yet to have my phone lock up on me besides for something I PERSONALLY did wrong, never the "freeze" you spoke of, or features not working...

bottom line RIM = Quality
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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nice post although I now have a headache..some spacing would have been nice

Glad your back with the bb, you basically found out through first hand experience what I am assuming, I cant buy an iphone yet (UK) but I am not going to...I would love to try one out for a week or so and then hand it back like you did but I probably cant (looks like it will be a different carrier than mine).

Several things will happen in the coming 12-18 months.
All new smartphones will have wifi
Apple will figure out how to do email properly (at least enough to satisfy the heavy consumer user if not business)
RIM and others will then have to make a properly designed device - they have the internal down...they just need to work on presentation and build quality.......
basically we all win with better products on the market.

So my next choice will be between a new fully email enabled iphone or a better and more aesthetically designed bb........a hard but lovely choice to have to make....roll on.
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Good Grief!

Paragraphs!!!!

Also I can not see you being happy with the new 8300. You went thru 10 before the iPhone and I would have bet $1000 you would never keep the iPhone.

You need to squeeze on that squeeky 8300 a little harder. I am on my second and both have dust under the screen!

Just think of the refurbed 8300 you have caused and now there will be a used iPhone that some unsuspecting slob will love to get his hands on! Thanks!

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Old 07-19-2007, 09:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Good Grief!

Paragraphs!!!!

Also I can not see you being happy with the new 8300. You went thru 10 before the iPhone and I would have bet $1000 you would never keep the iPhone.

You need to squeeze on that squeaky 8300 a little harder. I am on my second and both have dust under the screen!

Just think of the refurbed 8300 you have caused and now there will be a used iPhone that some unsuspecting slob will love to get his hands on! Thanks!

You know what Greg, you have nothing but negatively when you post on any of my threads. Give it a rest pal! I went through a bunch of Curves because the early ones we're made like garbage, and I don't pay for garbage my friend. As I said in previous posts, if the Curve was on the money it would be my only choice!

And now it is buddy!!!

As for the iphone, I love it.
However freezing issues are not something I'd like to be bothered by while I'm working out, or surfin the web. When they get the bugs out, I'll 100% pick on up!

Greg, I'm a gambling man!
$1000 bucks says this Curve is here to stay. No dust either under my screen, squeezed it also- no squeaks at all, or looseness in the rubber! Ahh face it Greg , I've finally got a good one. I'd also bet that most that are shipping now are good, and that RIM has corrected the flaws that existed on the earlier ones!!!
Good job RIM!
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And it's packed with all the goodies we all want, as well as being nicely priced!
and check this out: my measly pearl can support a 4GB microSD card, i've got a fully functional push-email phone coupled to 3.something GB of whatever i want (lots of it being AAC's from my itunes library)....

not sure, but i think the latest OS for the curve might be sporting you that ability as well....so now the curve and the pearl are going neck&neck with Apple's stuff....u don't need to buy an iphone if you want a phone + ipod in one.

when the wifi curve hits the pavement, i can see a mass of ppl flushing thier iphones down the toilet....
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btw, when the iphone freezes you can hold down the top button and the home button and it will do a reset. kind of like the ctrl-alt-del on the BB. so you didn't have to wait for the battery to die.
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kind of like the ctrl-alt-del on the BB.
is this for full qwerty BBs ? i did not know BBs had a reset capability other than battery pull/softreset.

is there also a similar key sequence for the pearl ?
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Long story short he pulls one out from a brand new shipment and I start my inspection, I'm figuring to find the loose rubber sides, squeaky corners, and loose mic piece! How wrong I was my. friends, none of the above!

Two days later and I have no issues at all. Everything is still tight and no issues under the hood as well. I went through a ton of Curves when it first dropped, and had my share of issues with build quality and what not. But it looks as if RIM has fixed all that, and I can honestly say I'm finally happy with the Curve once and for all.

However if RIM really gets it's act together and starts putting out devices that have no issues with build quality like there older models, and step up their media features, and what not, all while having that trusty push email, they will be tough to compete with!
Great Post sean76 !

I feel the same way you do, and I too tried an iPhone just for the fun of it. At no time did I ever think about replacing my BB with it.

I just wanted to try one to see what they were like. I made a deal with a friend to buy mine after I played with it for awhile, as I knew before buying it that I would not keep it. The first generation of Apple products are usually pretty rough and the iPhone is no exception.

I'm happy to hear your report of the improved build quality on the newer 8300's. I will now sell mine and get a new one, as I have a few build quality issues that bother me.

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Most people do not know this but if you hold down the top button and the home botton on the iphone for 10 seconds it will reboot it (same as taking the battery out of a BB) and clear up the memory which resolves these issues. I have had very few probs with mine but if I do I just reset it. You do not loose any data or setting. Im on my second curve now because the first froze on me like 4 times. I carry my curve as my main phone because hands down it is the best messaging device. I carry the iphone for all the other cool features. I have the $49 a month go phone plan with no contract so I can cancel anytime. I am pretty sure an update is around the corner which will fix some of the common bugs and add some features. Personally I think it is fun to be part of the iphone community. If just more people knew how to reset the thing it would prevent many of the problems.
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btw, when the iphone freezes you can hold down the top button and the home button and it will do a reset. kind of like the ctrl-alt-del on the BB. so you didn't have to wait for the battery to die.

Yup, tried that, no dice! This thing was frozen solid. Believe me, I like the iphone.
I'll pick one up around the holidays, by then all the bugs should be worked out. For now I'm happy with my Curve!!!

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Absolutely _Nothing_ could possibly replace my _BlackBerry_ as my main communications device. It's simply too reliable, too fast, too good with email, and it gets the job done every time. No worries.

However I did buy an iPhone as a secondary entertainment device. Used it for a couple of weeks, but there were too many faults. Even if you get a "good one" the original iPhone is too slow with EDGE and without copy and paste, a memory card slot and a user replaceable batter, it's useless to me.

I will be buying the 2nd generation. Based on my years of experience with Apple, it should be much better and I expect all the bugs and shortcomings to be fixed. It will still be a secondary device and should be fun to play with.
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Absolutely _Nothing_ could possibly replace my _BlackBerry_ as my main communications device. It's simply too reliable, too fast, too good with email, and it gets the job done every time. No worries.

However I did buy an iPhone as a secondary entertainment device. Used it for a couple of weeks, but there were too many faults. Even if you get a "good one" the original iPhone is too slow with EDGE and without copy and paste, a memory card slot and a user replaceable batter, it's useless to me.

I will be buying the 2nd generation. Based on my years of experience with Apple, it should be much better and I expect all the bugs and shortcomings to be fixed. It will still be a secondary device and should be fun to play with.

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head archer! Great minds think alike. I'll be doing the same thing in a few months with the iphone! But for now, it's nice to be camped out here with you guys in the 8300 section of the Forum! Hey archer, I must say I really missed the awesome Form Factor of the Curve! Nice to have it in my paws again.
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You know what Greg, you have nothing but negatively when you post on any of my threads. Give it a rest pal! I went through a bunch of Curves because the early ones we're made like garbage, and I don't pay for garbage my friend. As I said in previous posts, if the Curve was on the money it would be my only choice!

And now it is buddy!!!

As for the iphone, I love it.
However freezing issues are not something I'd like to be bothered by while I'm working out, or surfin the web. When they get the bugs out, I'll 100% pick on up!

Greg, I'm a gambling man!
$1000 bucks says this Curve is here to stay. No dust either under my screen, squeezed it also- no squeaks at all, or looseness in the rubber! Ahh face it Greg , I've finally got a good one. I'd also bet that most that are shipping now are good, and that RIM has corrected the flaws that existed on the earlier ones!!!
Good job RIM!
Well mine came from the "latest" stock at my local AT&T store and there is not a squeek or any looseness but after a week there is dust. I would not expect you to be honest, at this point, and admit it. I am happy with mine as I do not expect any device to be perfect!

All of my posts are not neagative, only the one's repsonding to yours! <vbg>
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Well mine came from the "latest" stock at my local AT&T store and there is not a squeek or any looseness but after a week there is dust. I would not expect you to be honest, at this point, and admit it. I am happy with mine as I do not expect any device to be perfect!

All of my posts are not neagative, only the one's repsonding to yours! <vbg>

Only negative to mine huh?
That's because your a clown Greg, I won't get to into it and play into your crap! But I will say this, grow up buddy!
And good luck with your dusty new Curve! Oh and by the way, I have no reason to not tell the truth here on the Forum! The truth is I can do as many returns as I want, perks of having friends in the right places! You have no reason to be negative towards any of my threads or posts, like I said your a little clown! Enjoy your day at the circus.
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Only negative to mine huh?
That's because your a clown Greg, I won't get to into it and play into your crap! But I will say this, grow up buddy!
And good luck with your dusty new Curve! Oh and by the way, I have no reason to not tell the truth here on the Forum! The truth is I can do as many returns as I want, perks of having friends in the right places! You have no reason to be negative towards any of my threads or posts, like I said your a little clown! Enjoy your day at the circus.
Sounds like you are playing into crap to me!
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Sounds like you are playing into crap to me!
I second that
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Only negative to mine huh?
That's because your a clown Greg, I won't get to into it and play into your crap!
Certainly you have the capability (think: choice to be courteous) to _NOT_ call people names. It is after all, rather juvenile behavior. Ask yourself this question: is it really that important? It gives the rest of us an impression of you (the name caller) that most people in your position would not want.

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Certainly you have the capability (think: choice to be courteous) to _NOT_ call people names. It is after all, rather juvenile behavior. Ask yourself this question: is it really that important? It gives the rest of us an impression of you (the name caller) that most people in your position would not want.

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me speak about anyone on the Forum in a negative way, this Forum is about BB's and how they operate and what not! This gentleman Greg seems to like posting either right after I post and take a negative stance, or post on my threads in a negative manner! Whatever the case, that's just plain rude, especially when I have nothing negative to say about him or any of the Forums members!

At this point who cares, just totally uncalled for! I post for the simple fact of having some experience with BB's. I don't claim to know it all, because at the end of the day none of us have all the answers. As for this little go back and fourth thing with my good buddy Greg, it stops here, done and over with! Now back to the business of enjoying our devices, and sharing our experiences and what not!
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