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Old 08-22-2007, 05:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I need for an intelligent proficient blackberry owner to fill in the blanks for me.

Why do most people choose Blackberry Devices like the 8300 or 8800 over Windows mobile devices such as the T-Mobile Dash or Blackjack other than stability and corporate access?

I have been using the Dash for a while and I find myself attached to the ability of liberty with WM devices. I can install a whole raft of applications, watch stunning quality videos (using TCPMP of course), play all sorts of games on Sega & Nintendo emulators I've downloaded for FREE, check & send email & text, surf the net, snap & record footage, and magically make and take phone calls.

For some reason I feel that WM devices are superior in the multimedia area than Blackberry's; correct me if Im wrong. Why should I choose Blackberry? I find so many more people using Blackberry's than Windows Mobile Devices & I just can't understand why. What more functionality does a blackberry have over a windows mobile device?
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I believe you answered your own question. Stability, instant push corporate/personal e-mail access are the main reasons why so many power users have a blackberry device. They're not interested in multi-media functions or an abundance of 3rd party applications.

Many here on the forums used to have WM and Palm OS devices including myself (former Treo user for years). For me personally, it's all about stability and ease of the RIM platform itself.

Blackberry's aren't meant to be multi-media devices. That aspect has been incorporated on their phones just recently ie: 81XX/83XX/88XX.
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I believe you answered your own question. Stability, instant push corporate/personal e-mail access are the main reasons why so many power users have a blackberry device. They're not interested in multi-media functions or an abundance of 3rd party applications.

Many here on the forums used to have WM and Palm OS devices including myself (former Treo user for years). For me personally, it's all about stability and ease of the RIM platform itself.

Blackberry's aren't meant to be multi-media devices. That aspect has been incorporated on their phones just recently ie: 81XX/83XX/88XX.
Well said. It doesn't sound like you should purchase a BlackBerry. When I chose the BlackBerry all I was concerned about was getting my messages on the go, along with having a stable device. This is the first smartphone I have owned so I can't compare it to anything else, but I can tell you that my 8700g is awesome. Does what it needs to do and doesn't get in my way. The only reason I will upgrade to a new model (if I ever do) is to have media storage. That way I can store applications and documents for my computer consulting business.
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Thank you very much, both of you. If any others want to include their thoughts or suggestions with the topic, please do so. I am very open minded.
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Get a pencil and a notebook and take some notes (just kidding). Your question reminds me of the Mac v. Windows or GM v. Ford comparison which, for all different reasons, make little sense for it's hard to argue over taste and smell. You'd need to try both and then go with your best intuitions. What might feel good to me could spell trouble for you and vise versa. La, la... you know what I am after.
Nevertheless, consider the Blackberry an excellent email devise. It is slick (and getting slicker) while exhibiting stability and reliability. I have used the Treo for several years and liked it a lot but the Blackberry is smaller and (sorry) sexier...
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
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IMHO, the BB is a business machine. It isn't there for boys and girls to play games and watch movies. It is there to help you work better and smarter and meet the requirements of your job.

Maybe I am old school, but I don't want employees playing games on my time. What they do on their time is their business, bit on my nickel it is my business.
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Just a thought on this issue.

I have noticed a few "die-hard" BB users dissuading potential BB users because, gosh-darn-it, a BB is not a PIM. Or a BB is not a multi-media machine. Or a BB is all about email.

I guess there is some truth in that. However, as a GTDer, I find the BB to be quite sufficient. The fact that it's PIM offerings are stripped-down is actually a plus, from a GTD perspective. I need the features it has in terms of calendar and tasks, but no more. The lack of 3rd party software means less options, but the Palm world (from which I come) is full of really bad options and lots of bloated software. The BB is not PIM-centric, but it does a fine job for most people's needs. I am a heavy user, and I rely on it for PIM functions.

Having said that, the BB is focused on communications, in a lot of different ways. I use it for phone, email, and the occasional IM. The BB really shines in these areas.

But the BB is also stable, and syncs perfectly with my Mac via Missing Sync, something my Palms never did. A stable platform with perfect sync is just about all anyone should ask for in a PIM! Color-coded calendars (and other bloat features) don't really excite me and aren't that useful really for most people.

I guess what I'm saying is if you want to get to work, and "Get Things Done," the BB is a great choice - though it won't be as pretty and as easy to use (at least initially - it's faster to use once you learn your way around) - it will get the job done - with stability and confidence.

Regarding Multi-media - I don't really need to play music or watch videos, but it is a nice addition. The BB Curve does a decent job, in my opinion. Unless this is the primary reason for the device, the BB should not deter the casual multi-media user.
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I had both a palm 700 and a bb curve.. The bb curve was always reliable and easy to use.. after loading applications on the 700 i was having to constantly reset the phone, it would freeze up. I recently got rid of my 700 and went strictly to the bb curve.
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Well not a current BB owner but I have had them before. Think the last one was a 7280 or something, I cant remember. Since then I've had HTC phones, Treo's, Motorola Q and now the lame iPhone and looking to go back to a BB. My main reason is battery life, stability, and it does what I need. Yeah playing a movie on my iPhone is great, having another MP3 player is cool but I really dont need those things. Most important things I need are Phone, Email, SMS. Everything else is just frosting and even with all the "cool" stuff say a WM device could do or an iPhone can do I find myself doing 85% phone, email and sms and splitting up maybe 10% to the web and 5% media stuff. Though in all honesty I do find myself surfing on the iPhone more then other phone I've had before, but honestly i really could live without it. Its more there as "fun" If i had my choice id take something like a BB 8820 (if it ever comes out on ATT) with a widescreen iPod (if they ever come out with them) and call it a day. Sometimes its too much having EVERYTHING do everything. Like i really dont care if my portable Garmin GPS device connects to my phone and can play MP3s. I just want it to get me from point A to point B. I really dont care if my phone can play MP3s (other then a ring tone maybe) and play youtube movies.

I know this didnt really answer your question but basically to make a long story short, its all personal preference. And hey if your on ATT you always get 30 days to decide. The MotoQ9h comes out this week i think and that has WM6 so try it and see if you like it or try a BB. Its all up to you and what you really want your phone for. (Just dont get an iPhone!!!!)

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Blackberries are communications tools first and foremost. Any other functions are add-ons to broader their appeal to consumers. I need to keep in touch not only with my job but also my home during several construction projects and with a private lake club I'm involved with. Email just plain works, all the time, every time. With my old Treo sometimes the email function would freeze or crash the whold device. If you can't count on your cell phone to work when you need it, not when it wants to work, what good is it? When you find yourself holding your breath while downloading email (manually!) for fear your Treo might crap the bed in the middle of the operation it's time to start exploring alternatives. If you're worried that without a mid-day recharge you might not have a cell phone by 5:00 PM then it's also time to look for a new solution.

I went from Blackberries to Treos primarily for the external storage that the 'berries of several years ago simply didn't offer. Along the way I got addicted to having a camera (even a crappy one) for that quick pic you could email. RIM listened to me and probably hundreds of thousands of others who agitated for a Blackberry model with these features on top of the legendary communications suite they offered. So I'm back. First a Pearl, now a Curve. And I'm a personal/BIS user. If you're in the corporate world and hooked up to an Exchange Server you get even more functionallity. I've used Palm-based Treos, Windows Mobile devices, Symbian s60 smartphones, and Blackberries. The BB wins easily for ease of use, reliability, and in having all the functions I need.
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I need a reliable phone and the closest to real-time e-mail and sms I can possibly get. I am a long-time blackberry user and I switched to Treo 700wx and did not last for 6 months with it. I tried very hard too.

I was impressed by the camera and the multi-media capabilities of the WM device but found that I did not use them as frequently as I thought I would. What I DID need from the time I opened my eyes until I closed them (and sometimes in my sleep) were my messages and the Treo just did not cut it in that respect.

For starters, in order to even approximate push mail, I had to open a 4smartphone account for about $12/month and it kinda sorta pushed my mail when it took a notion to. I would get all of my mail eventually most of the time but having a real-time conversation using that was a bit of a joke.

My friends and associates have BBMessenger and I was out of the loop on that so I had to purchase IM+ and that was an additional $50.

Battery life on the WM devices is LOUSY. I had to purchase an extended battery AND a car charger AND carry a spare just to get through my workday. I never charge my berry during the day.

I had to purchase an external GPS receiver to do what the Blackberry handles beautifully all by itself.

I was excited about having SMS finally because my previous blackberries were thru Nextel which does not handle true SMS. One fine day, I was having a conversation with a co-worker thru SMS and stopped texting me and called complaining that I was filling up his inbox with text messages. Apparently, some weeks earlier I had a sensitive e-mail conversation which I promptly deleted when it was done. Bits and pieces of those e-mails came forth from the dust and attached to my SMS. This was a VERY bad thing for me and having done some research I discovered that it had happened to other users. Since I had a Sprint Treo 700wx and at least one other person this happened to had a 6700 on Verizon, I can only conclude that the bug was a WM5 one. I was NEVER comfortable using my device after that Nor will I ever use another Windows Mobile product.

I even bought a SLINGBOX to help me like that thing but it just was not a match made in heaven.

It all boils down to what you need your gadget to do. If you are seeking entertainment, a WM device would be your best bet. The only thing I miss about mine is the touch screen. If you need reliable communications, you cannot, CANnot, canNOT beat a blackberry. Period.

Folks bark about the $40+ data plan but with all of the extras I had to purchase to make my WM device do what the berry did, I easily break even and I am much more satisfied. Tickled pink, in fact.

Good luck with your decision.
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I've been a techie for more than 25 years...and I'm fine delving into the guts of operating systems and the like - which is why I tolerated WM for a while on my T-Mobile MDA. I messed around loading all sorts of Today plug-ins, UI replacements, different versions of the ROM, etc. In the end, I found it to be more of a hobbyist playground than a dependable "appliance" - and I realized that I really wanted to just USE it to get things done - not muck around in its guts, checking memory several times a day to see if I had to do hard reset, etc.

The blackberry has fewer available apps right now than the WM5/6 platform. But after 18 months with the MDA, I found that there just weren't that many different apps I really WANT on my tiny little pocket sized device - and the ones that mean the most to me are way more robust on Blackberry than on WM.

WM is an OS that I *want* to really like for all its potential and features. But BB is a platform I is SO usable that I am far more productive with it - which is why I, I believe, it is so addictive - in ways that WM could never be for me. For email, SMS, calendar, web browsing BB is a total natural - works flawlessly and easily. With WM - it works sometimes, is a bit flakey, and never feels as dependable as BB. I'm a tech-savvy user, lived with both mobile platforms for a couple of years - and I am now a confirmed BB user (let me know if you want to buy my old MDA).
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BTW: the post above my last one mentioned a $40 data plan... that's NOT on T-Mobile! I dropped my old unlimited Internet plan (was using with my MDA) and replaced it with a BIS plan -- and it's $19.95 a month add-on to my voice plan: unlimited blackberry email (standard 10 email accounts), and unlimited internet/data. Fantastic price - and works just fine.
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Wow....I wasn't exactly anticipating this much feedback. Thanks! You guys have all narrowed it down to the "T". Excellent facts and pointers, all of you. From my experience using my T-Mobile Dash, a couple of down factors that I absolutely dread are:
1.) Constantly checking memory (closing opened applications) 7x a day.
2.) Random freezes after relatively heavy usage, resulting in a battery pull.
3.) Slow unreliable email
4.) Drained Battery life
I've learned today from the comments mentioned above, that these particular downfalls on WM's behalf are actually where the Blackberry sticks it's foundation.

I actually took a visit to an AT&T store earlier to check out the Blackberry Curve. It looks awesome, and I couldn't help but notice how user friendly it is. Zipping back and forth through applications and menus is just a pure breeze! It sort of reminds me of a sidekick, only WAY smarter. I think I'll try it out once T-Mobile releases theirs next month with WIFI & (hopefully) GPS.

Once again guys, thanks for your input! If you have more info on the topic, post away. I'm enjoying the information & knowledge I'm obtaining from this topic.
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Wow....I wasn't exactly anticipating this much feedback. Thanks! You guys have all narrowed it down to the "T". Excellent facts and pointers, all of you. From my experience using my T-Mobile Dash, a couple of down factors that I absolutely dread are:
1.) Constantly checking memory (closing opened applications) 7x a day.
2.) Random freezes after relatively heavy usage, resulting in a battery pull.
3.) Slow unreliable email
4.) Drained Battery life
I've learned today from the comments mentioned above, that these particular downfalls on WM's behalf are actually where the Blackberry sticks it's foundation.

I actually took a visit to an AT&T store earlier to check out the Blackberry Curve. It looks awesome, and I couldn't help but notice how user friendly it is. Zipping back and forth through applications and menus is just a pure breeze! It sort of reminds me of a sidekick, only WAY smarter. I think I'll try it out once T-Mobile releases theirs next month with WIFI & (hopefully) GPS.

Once again guys, thanks for your input! If you have more info on the topic, post away. I'm enjoying the information & knowledge I'm obtaining from this topic.
I'm on my 4th Blackberry (currently have a Curve) and I can't imagine life without it. I started with the 7100g which had great features, but was limited. Fast forward to the Curve, it is rock solid for email, calendar, phone, contacts and SMS. The additional features like internet browser, maps, camera etc. are gravy. They are great, but functional.
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Data plans, aside, the BB handhelds tend to be cheaper to purchase than WM devices, especially ones with touchscreens.

That and stability, easy UI, good battery life. It's a device you can easily depend on. The build quality is also fairly high. The BB can't do everything, but what they do do, they do fairly well.
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Everyone's already covered my points. I continue to own an htc TyTN Windows Mobile phone for those times when I just feel like changing for a little while, but ultimately MOST of the time I am on my BB Curve. My previous phones were BB 7105T and BB 8700g. Loved both of them.

I did want to add one more point that can't be avoided that's nice about owning a Blackberry. There are so many more friendly people in the BB community to help you if you have trouble. Go to a Windows Mobile message board and see how fast you get barked at for asking even a fairly advanced question that isn't even remotely obvious. Too many elitists.

I think you will be very pleased with the upcoming BB Curve on T-Mobile - do wait for it. It will not have the GPS option built-in, but you will surely be able to connect it to a Bluetooth receiver and it should work all the same.

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Heard from a Moto Q user today: "Crap! My batter is dead again. WTF?!"

A Samsung Blackjack user had similar problems but solved it by getting the extended battery and adding a camel hump to his once-sveldt mobile.

Get the Curve. Battery life is outstanding, and Seidio now offers an extended life replacement battery that fits the original compartment, no humped battery door needed. So if you need even more battery power you have options.
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My BB may not do everything, and it's not as slick as my co-worker's new iPhone, but what it does, it does very well, and it's extremely reliable. It's rugged, utilitarian and businesslike, and the most versatile thing I own. I can set one up for my wife (who is an avid user but has no patience for fooling around with configuring anything) and never have to hear from her about it not working, or needing constant attention (so I can pay more attention to her, not the device). And as someone else mentioned, the BB community here is always friendly and helpful and eager to share expertise. (Given my low post count, you can see that I have very few urgent issues that I need help with.)

On top of everything else, I can cut and paste, unlike the users of a certain new and much-hyped device. :P
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Yea LOL, I "KNEW" not to get an iphone. Crap doesn't even have A2DP, & thats a standard for me & can you imagine typing email everyday on that...for $600? Uh....I'll pass. Whats a "Bluetooth receiver" for GPS guys?
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