No I did read that there, he is correct...sorry...

where's the link then? thanks

ok here's what i found. Barjohn posted the exact same thing on pinstack saying he heard it as a rumor...

Barjohn on pinstack:

"This is rumor, but I am hearing that the 8700c may be delayed. Several reasons have been given including some software changes and that Cingular wants to wait and see what happens with the NTP lawsuit. I can understand their concern that they could be sitting on millions of dollars worth of devices they cannot sell or worse yet they sell them just before the injunction and then the Blackberry service is shut down and they face a class action suit for selling a device they knew or should have known they would not be able to service.

I sure hope these rumors prove to be false.
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Found that here:
http://www.pinstack.com/blackberryfo...read.php?t=384

It was on the front page of their FAQ's section. I don't believe it was based on my speculation. I claearly stated that my speculation was just that and nothing more. If I have a fact or first hand knowledge I will quote it as such. If it is speculation or rumor I say so. I have numerous people that PM me asking for my opinion on one device or another. If I don't have first hand experience, I tell them, and I won't make a recommendation. I value my credebility more than to falsely make a claim. I expect that the reader understands the difference between a rumor, clearly stated as such, or speculation clearly stated as such. I don't expect everyone to agree with my speculation or to believe the rumor. I get many rumors PMed to me, some of which I pass on if I think the author is at least somewhat credible. For example, when I first posted about the delay (and I waited a day after I received the info) the information came from high levels at RIM that a delay in getting units out to attendees was coming. What I didn't and couldn't know was whether the reason I was being given was true. I stated at that time the reason I was given but I also questioned it as any good reporter should do. Especially, if it seems illogical. It could be the reason but there is nothing wrong with questioning it. Some people on this forum get offended or offensive over the slightest things. I thought the idea was to have an open dialog freely expressing ideas, information, facts, and yes even rumors when they are relevant because they may affect someone in the user community. The key to me is to honestly identify rumors and speculation as such and not try to pass them off as fact. Everyone is free to disagree with me. I'll still try to help those that want it.

As you say you quote sources so why would you post news as a rumor that was already posted on the site and not quote the source if it was posted for the public. Your not making sense. Thing is I frequent the FAQ's section.. daily and not the forums thats why I had to search to find your post...... and i've never seen anything remotely close to the NTP rumor you started. Which is why i wanted the link.. I would have been glad to get some more news.

Then two post down you ask one of the site admins...

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Hydn, have you heard similar rumblings? I guess we will know on Thursday (I can't remember whether it is this Thursday or next).
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If they were the source shouldn't you ask if anything MORE was heard?


As you said just said "I have numerous people that PM me asking for my opinion on one device or another." So I guess you have to make stuff up sometimes. Not a problem but when someone challenges you don't pass the hot pan.

I just reread my post above and I don't believe I said I quoted sources anywhere in it. I said if I have first hand knowledge I state it as such and if it is rumor or speculation I state it as such. I very clearly stated that what I was saying was a rumor. So I don't have a clue what you are saying. Just because you didn't find anyone else stating the rumor...so what? You are not obligated to take a rumor as fact, merely take it in, evaluate it in light of what you know and accept or reject it. How hard is that to do?

I read lots of rumors on this site and others. I accept that they are rumors or speculation and take them as such. If someone states something is a known fact and they can't back it up, that is different. Corey is good at challenging those making unsupported factual statements. Sometimes a little more brutally than I think he should but that is his decision.

You said: "If I have a fact or first hand knowledge I will quote it as such. "

You never said where - in your first post - your knowledge came from on bbf . Never stated where on the pinstack forums either.

Yet when your rumor is told to be not making sense you post...

"According to Pinstack the hold up was to change the software to software that does not infringe the Patents and therefore to immunize the new BB's from an injunction. Now that makes sense to me."

lol ok I totaly heard understand thanks for explaining.

Are you incapable of reading or comprehending English? I said it was a rumor in the first sentence. Hence I did not quote it as fact. Hence I did not quote the source. Is the rumor true, I don't know. I even said at the end that I hoped it was not. I am not defending the rumor. I hope it is false but the truth is we still don't know since some posters say they have been told they will be getting thiers next week and other are saying it won't be until December and so on. On the 21st we will know whether it is released. If it isn't we still won't know why.

I just received an email from RIM informing me that they are still trying very hard to make the 21st release date but that they can't send any devices until the new code is accepted. I presume he means by the carrier although he did not say that.

That is my biggest complaint of my 7100....I thought something was wrong when I first got it....why DOES the phone not dial the numbers as fast as I press them?? Not that I don't enjoy hearing the last five numbers pressed as I place the phone to my ear.

It was even more annoying when I finally got my Bluetooth headset...now I can get completely confused as I am dialing and NOT hearing the tones at the same time.

The following is from PinStack and while it DOES NOT say this is the reason for the delay it MIGHT explain it:

Nice try NTP - RIM one step ahead


Research In Motion Ltd. is "very very comfortable" with a software upgrade it may deploy in a bid to work around the patents involved in its legal dispute with NTP Inc., its co-chief executive said on Wednesday.
"It's a software upgrade that we're very, very comfortable with and we've done focus groups with and we're just finishing testing," RIM Co-Chief Executive Jim Balsillie told investors in New York.

This was just posted by Cingular Insider on PinStack:

On November 1, 2005, Cingular announced the BlackBerry 8700c availability for later in November. Please note that the scheduled 11/21 launch of the BlackBerry 8700c is briefly delayed. Due to network improvements by Cingular brought about by integration, enhancements to the handheld code are necessary and will require additional testing. A new launch date of the BlackBerry 8700c will be set later in the week based on technical acceptance and expected inventory arrival in Cingular distribution centers.

BlackBerry Pre-ordering Now Available: In order to facilitate the smooth introduction of this new product, we have activated the BlackBerry 8700c sku in both blue and orange systems to support pre-orders. Those orders that are submitted prior to availability in the NDC will be accepted and passed into backorder status for fulfillment once product is received and launched in late November.

Pre ordering is only for Business Customers only at this time as far as I know. You Either have to have a business account manager or Call to the Direct Business Customer care center.
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Cingular Insider

My B2B rep confirmed they did get the 8700's in their warehouse today and they are processing orders. So I might expect my 8700 tomorrow.

Does anyone have any idea about online or store sales for us less fortunate souls who dont have a B2B connection?