can not seem to open bbhub www address on blackberry delay/ seems everyone trying to get in / did get in after onslought dided down.

damnittttt...the day after thanksgiving??? i cant wait that long!

So how reliable is BBHub? Better yet, how reliable is BBHub's Source, or BBHub's Source's Source?

kinda expected this since the busiest day of shopping was in that week i figured they would push it back til then to get people more into the stores and mroe people wanting the 8700 g figure if this bbhub isnt reliable either way there will be people at the store on nov 21 or online at nov 21 12 am

being a Nextel customer.....im jealous...

My rep sales the rollout has been moved to early dec.

I have also confirmed this info, it will be delayed a little bit, nowhere near December as I heard it, more likely it will be the 25th of November.

i have heard from my good friend a sales rep for a cingular store 25 november busiest day of shopping next to the day after christmas....Day After Thanskgiving 25 November

Is the day after T-Giving the best day to move a higher tech item? I can imagine most Cingular stores being swamped with representatives moving the freebie phones and not knowing much about the Blackberry devices. It's nice to fantasize that it would be otherwise but I doubt it.

I won't be surprised if it hits stores Nov. 25, because Cingular reps still have no idea when they are getting the phone. From what I've learned with Cingular, the stores usually have no clue on what is going on online. Sometimes there is a deal online that they do not even no about. For all of us who have been with Cingular, we all know the phones are online way before the stores get them. The only thing Cingular store is good for is really buying the phone...anything outside of that they tell you to call customer service. With that being said I think the online launch personally is still, at least for business users is Nov 21. Think about it, is it really a good business decision to release a business grade phone to everyone at the same time....on the day after Thanksgiving?...customer service will be swamped, it just doesn't make sense. But then again, this is Cingular, we will have to wait and see.

I assume many stores will not have devices by 11/25, since the recall was just announced 2 days ago and all handhelds must be reloaded and repackaged before re-sending to stores.

My source says the update was in reference to EDGE. Anyone have any more information, please post away.

What recall? Where did you find this information at..or am I just clueness and out of the loop.

guys, I am really beginning to be woried about this. Something isn't right. I am on what is known as a seeding list with Cingular. They were supposed to get 4000 units to send out to their biggest customers of which I am fortunate to be one of them and they have not even received the units yet. I really don't say this to brag. Just passing along the info. This doesn't sound good and with all the lawsuit probs I am starting to get a little nervous. Any thoughts?

I got an email reply from my Store Rep last night and she told me that in company stores no longer will provide my company discount and that the 8700c would be available online long before it comes to the store. So for me to get this phone, I needed to go online or via the phone if I wanted it on the 21st.

Also, I doubt that Nov 25th will be the store release date as this is not a item you are going to buy for a present. I would guess their big push item for Xmas would be selling the Family plan and adding phones for the kids, etc. Not selling a $300 BB of which they might only have a few at each store anyway.

Just my 2.5 cents worth,

Mitch

Sftware upgrade, B.S. in my opinion. You believe in coincidences? It just happens that it won't be available until after the judge rules on the NTP case? Corporate and enterprise users can't perform this software update? They can't make it optional, customers that want now must be able to do their own upgrade and those that don't can wait? Sounds like a plan to try and protect their stock price. To publicly admit they were holding back until after the court's ruling would mean that either they thought they were going to lose or that Cingular thought they were going to lose so that would have a big negative affect on the stock price. Sorry, I don't buy the software story. BG and others that have the device have not reprted one complaint about EDGE performance. Just my guess.

The devices may have been unlocked and Cingular may have just decided to lock them all to Cingular. I believe boygenius said his is not locked and the guy who just got one said his is locked.

I agree specially since I saw someplace here that the Canadian counterparts were going to be that much more expensive, that someone suggested buying one in the States at a lower price since they had heard that they were unlocked. Economics again.

barjohn, when you say "Corporate and enterprise users can't perform this software update?" are you saying this as a statement or as a question? Corportate and enterprise (BES users) can perform the upgrade to the device, but it is a matter of whether they (Cingular and RIM) want to ask all users to get a new device and immediatly upgrade it. I DO believe there CAN be a problem with the OS and EDGE that could cause a last minute change but I think I agree with you that this may be a ploy to get the delivery to be after the court rulling. Do you know when the ruling is supposed to occur. Maybe a link with the story.

One item that coroborates the possibility that there could be a technical snafu, is in the release notes of the latest 4.0.2.49 hh code for the 7290. It reads:
SDR55364
Previously, if you were using the handheld software on platform 1.8 and the network used Adaptive Multi-Rate (AMR) functionality, your handheld might reset during a phone call.
SDR55067
Previously, in extremely rare situations, if you were using the handheld software on platform 1.8 and the network used Adaptive Multi-Rate (AMR) functionality, you might have heard a high-pitched sound when you answered a phone call.

AMR is a technology that many of the GSM providers use in many areas of the states and abroud. If they had known this just prior to the release of the 7290, I would have to believe that an item of this nature could have forced a recall but as it turns out, they only figured it out a year later. This one really pissed me off as I have over 600 Cingular devices and this upgrade really seems to help users with dropped calls. Having to rely on 600 users to perform their own upgrade is difficult if you know what I mean.

I'm sure the appropriate people at Cingular and RIM are doing what's best for their businesses and their stockholders and most importantly their customers. I do not believe it's the conspiracy you make it out to be. Whether it's BS or not is inconsequential. You are not in the tent making decisions with these people. IOW, you are not getting to see the big picture.

just got off the phone with a cingular retail store manager...they had a meeting this morning about the 8700 with some of the area retail managers...they wont be getting them in the stores till the first week of december due to a software change...all the ones that were ready for shipment to the stores are being updated...this is what will cause the delay.

He is hearing 11/28 and he said there was no status on the launch 8700's. Not sure what that means.

John:

"You believe in coincidences? It just happens that it won't be available until after the judge rules on the NTP case?"

That's so much bs John. You don't know when the judge will rule. No one does. Not even the judge. He doesn't know how long it'll take for him to draft and issue an opinion -- especially one involving a ruling of the complexity and import as this case. Besides, the 8700 release date has nothing to do with the NTP case -- nada. I don't understand why you're so damn sure it does.

Hmmmm, my Corp Rep called me today to confirm that I will have a 8700 on the way overnight on the 21st. I told him about the delay rumors and he had just got out of the meeting today and 21st is THE DAY!

So are you switching off of Nextel Greg!?

pink

Yes I do have to say there has been not one single issue wtih EDGE/internet performance, the phone part is another story, the thing I HATE the blackberry phone is how slow the crap number dialing is when your in a call. Everytime u need to enter an extension or check ur voicemail and you enter a # there is a huge delay, god forbib you need to enter more than 1 digit, 1,2,3,4 takes 10 seconds after u press it you hear slowly pressing one by one the tones...so annoying.

Greg...congrats.

So what the hell is going on? Is it delayed or not? I have heard from two sources, one (Corp. Store I visited today) said software issue and there will be a delay. My B2B says he heard 21st. Not sure which one to believe.

BG Do you know for a fact that it has been delayed?

I honestly do not know for a fact, I have not heard anything from RIM about this... as much as I respect barjohn, I think he theory on why it is delayed (NTP lawsuit) is ridiculous, like someone else posted I believe this has been going on forever and there would be no reason this one case would make any difference. Its funny to me because someone said Cingular should pay once the device is scanned (sold) and what happens with the custom branding? Maybe if they were generic RIM devices but Cingular had to place a pretty large order and paid for the custom hardware/software branding. Either way if there was an injuction against selling they are screwed so that will not stop them from selling them as quick as possible to recoup as much money asap. Thats business.

Thanks. IMO I find it hard to believe that the injunction will happen. I will be glad when RIM is able to put this behind them and move on. Furthermore I hope it is does not hurt them so much that they loose their position in the marketplace.

Hey Genious, have they asked you to return your units for this update?

21st for cingular... rogers right after... based on initial shipments it should go straight to backorder. Rogers locations should have them no later than 29th

Basically I heard that there would be an update on RIM's website when the devices are released, just to make sure everyone gets the update and latest software.

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7105/4.0.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

Has anyone who was at the launch gotten theirs yet?

blackberry...black friday....hmmmmmm

According to Pinstack the hold up was to change the software to software that does not infringe the Patents and therefore to immunize the new BB's from an injunction. Now that makes sense to me. They have been saying they had a solution on the shelf so using it to avoid the injunction is a good idea for the devices. I'm not sure what that means to the BES though and how it will be changed. I have attached the courts order from the 11/13/05 hearing.

You will notice that once the court makes a determination on whether an agreement existed or not it intends to move forward.

Whether it will after the request from the federal government is another issue.

For those that don't know, parol evidence is oral declarations,l statements/promises that are made usually in regards to a contract. Under the parol evidence rule, they are normally not allowed. It can be introduced if it is not inconsistent with the writing (written contract).

I trust everyone know I was being sarcastic when I was talking about corporate and enterprise customers not being able to perform the upgrades.

The following is the summary of the appellate court decision:

DECIDED: August 2, 2005
__________________________
Before MICHEL,* Chief Judge, SCHALL, and LINN, Circuit Judges.1
LINN, Circuit Judge.
Research In Motion, Ltd. (“RIM”) appeals from a judgment of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia (“district court”) entered in favor of NTP, Inc. (“NTP”) following a jury verdict that RIM’s BlackBerry™ system infringed NTP’s U.S. Patents Nos. 5,436,960 (“the ’960 patent”); 5,625,670 (“the ’670 patent”); 5,819,172 (“the ’172 patent”); 6,067,451 (“the ’451 patent”); and 6,317,592 (“the ’592 patent”)
* Paul R. Michel assumed the position of Chief Judge on December 25, 2004.
1 The earlier opinion in this case, reported at 392 F.3d 1336 (Fed. Cir. 2004), is withdrawn, and this opinion is substituted therefor. See Order in this case issued this date. (collectively, “the patents-in-suit”) and awarding damages to NTP in the amount of $53,704,322.69. NTP, Inc. v. Research in Motion, Ltd., No. 3:01CV767 (E.D. Va. Aug.5, 2003) (“Final Judgment”). The court, in a final order also appealed by RIM,permanently enjoined any further infringement by RIM, but stayed the injunction pending this appeal. We conclude that the district court erred in construing the claim
term “originating processor,” but did not err in construing any of the other claim terms on appeal. We also conclude that the district court correctly denied RIM’s motion for judgment as a matter of law (“JMOL”), and did not abuse its discretion in denying evidentiary motions. Finally, we conclude that the district court was correct in sending the question of infringement of the system and apparatus claims to the jury, but erred as a matter of law in entering judgment of infringement of the method claims. Thus, we affirm-in-part, reverse-in-part, vacate-in-part, and remand for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

My compnay has 18 Nextel phone currently. I have been elected to be the "tester" and will be getting the 8700 with Cingular phone service. I will keep my Nextel until I see it all works OK.

My employees are complaining about getting and receiving calls more and more, it can really get bad early in the morning and late afternoon during peak times. A few days ago we all lost DC service for several hours and you had to dial several times to get thru on a voice call. Do not know what is going on but I do have one Cingular line of which has never failed me, even when out in the woods.

I do not know why but have been banned from HoFo for a week. Reason given was "Flaming"! I consider myself quite laid back compared to others and can not remember Flaming anyone. I have emailed several times with no response except from YoDude who said that he did not ban me and would check up on it for me. No futher word received from him.

It feels cold and lonely out here!

barjohn again I think your incorrect. It seems so stupid to me why they would do that, they already have the new code, and new server software incase of an injuction why would they go through the trouble of updating EVERY 8700, when they could have installed it there in the first place? They knew this was going on, so I do think your incorrect.

BJ, That was on Pinstack and it happened to make sense to me if they thought they might be enjoined although I would still have allowed corporate and enterprise customers to do the upgrade themselves. I wasn't wrong, I was quoting the source that said they got that from RIM.

Acknowleding my attendance and saying they will deliver one right to my door. No time frame but at least I heard from them.

Where exactly did pinstack publish that. Can you post the link or PM to me. I've searched everywhere they never said that. Seems like your own view.