Heh...that's fascinating. Never knew that...I thought it was a photoshop thing, too.

Hmm, makes me wonder if I should send back my 8100 and just wait for this one... thoughts?

I noticed the first phone (the silver one) says EDGE on the screen...

Is that a bad sign? I mean, I'm sure thats some sample screen, but still, if the device supported UMTS, wouldn't they want to show off that feature, atleast in a sample of the device?

Not 100%. Stop making claims that are inaccurate, false and misleading.

I would bet that they are for charging. The 8100 has similar copper "power" contacts on the back. The 8800 doesn't. RIM is probably going to release a charging station that would contact at those points. Be surprised if they went back to the manual cable connect since they already introduced this enhancement with the 8100.

If you notice on the screen, it also has a Pictures icon, which any OS above 4.1 wouldn't have. The screen cap isn't accurate and was probably inserted in the image incorrectly.

Are you kidding me? If its unlocked it will work on any carrier that has a blackbery plan...

It looks as cheap as the 8100. This signals a futher degradation of BB build/material quality. Someone drank the CoolAid™ at RIM :( And in the move into consumerspace vs businessspace, they will need all the quality they can get.

I'm all for the company making profits, but profits at the expense of having to use a flimsy POS with a crappy keyboard (my 8700g), then no.

No sale.

Why is this running 4.1, i thought the newer blackberries would be runing 4.2

muellerlinger: 09-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Engadget: Sep 23rd 2006 4:27AM

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I don't understand your point. Boy Genius in his report on engadget clearly gave credit to Muellerlinger.

No one disputes the fact that Muellerlinger was the one to break these photos, and here on blackberryforums as well!

Hey, for all we know Boy Genius knows Muellerlinger!

I had those pics and info at the sametime or before and from the same document, i wasnt going to post it yet until I got more info, so i gave him credit aswell..

i dont see why people think BG is some sort of god, so he knows people at RIM or the carriers that are sharing this info with him, so what its not like hes doing something special he just happens to be lucky and knows the people who has access RIM's internal docs. the real people to thank are the people who are giving BG the info, BG is just the middle man.

Just a hint - themes don't define what OS version is on the handheld. If that were the case, then you would say I had OS 4.1 on my phone still...

Who cares where it comes from? As long as we get it. If Boy Genius gives it out then great and thanks. If it's a flying pig that does it, then fantastic. Who cares!

What...you mean BG isn't a god...oh, well, I guess I'll have to throw away my BG Buddha

Seriously, though...BG deserves great credit for giving us this info. He does us a great service in doing so. Also, to be that well connected is pretty neat as well.

Of course, those who supply him the info are important pieces in the chain, as are the people who design the phones, who build the phones, etc...heck, you may as well go all the way back to the Co-CEO's of RIM while you're at it.

Bottom line: great props to BG...please continue to keep us all informed and ignore the naysayers.

A lot of RIM employees have never versions on blackberries but are using old casing to no spill the beans and show there is a new blackberry.

ya i have a friend that works at RIM that had the pearl in like feb, it was the same hardware as the retail version but the case looked disgusting so no one said anything.

and then finnaly when the pearl was launched he was allowed to show it and i was like this whole time you had the pearl and you didnt say nothing.

and now he has another device that looks hidious and its gotta be the 8800 but i dont ask him much cuz i dont want him to get in trouble and i wouldnt put him in that position.

i didnt mean to diss BG but i meant to say is that he didnt do anything special, he was just the messenger.

First off the images look very nice. The Vodafone device is in my opinion the most ugly of the three, but it's also the only one with space between the keys which will no doubt make it the easiest to use.

I think RIM are completely missing a whole market sector on qwerty devices though. They keep making high tier devices like the 8700 and then replacing them with the 8800 which results in price erosion on the 8700. What a stupid way of going about things! While they need something for the upper end of the market, they're forgetting the lower end of the market. If they bought out a basic full qwerty like the 7230 used to be you'd find a lot more companies equipping employees with devices that previously would not have been considered due to cost. I know BlackBerry devices are not particularly expensive, but while they're concentrating so hard on the top of the market, I fear they are forgetting those near the bottom. Take for example couriers that use them and on the road engineers - I bet most of them are still using 7290's - companies won't be equipping them with expensive 8700's or the 8800, so what's that about???

As a side line (as I get annoyed with the insane amount of assumption that surrounds leaks), this talk of BES 5.0 is a load of crap - we won't be seeing it until very late next year!

That Vodafone one looks super sweet! I just sold my 8100 Pearl yesterday, couldn't handle the keypad, so this will be perfect! Camera? We don't need do stinkin' camera...

Which is the reason the Pearl's alerts are so quiet. A huge design flaw, IMO and I can't believe they're making the same mistake with the 8800.

i don't think thr 8800 will have a camera wifi is a better adavantage over camera

Completely agree. One of the reasons for that design is that you place the device flat on the table and use it as a speakerphone because the sound won't be muffled. It comes out the top. Very poor design, that with the extremely low vibrate makes the phone unusable

The keypad dilema continues. Based on some of the feedback here, what we want is a small handset with QWERTY, but a keypad that isn't cramped. Just goes to show that a diverse product lineup is proably the best way to make the most people happy.

How can RIM let this happen? I mean, don't they even test these devices after they design them? Certainly they must know that low speaker and vibrate/ring isn't going to work.

Yes, they know. They also know the other tens of thousands of design decisions made that makes the blackberry what it is. Trust me , they know why they made that decision and they stand by it.

OMGHI2U!!

Daddy likey!

Unless RIM is really listening to us, this is going to bomb with the design flaws of the 8100. Poor volume, low vibrate and too small - one can only hope that the raised profile on Voda will be enough to overcome the 'small' flaw. RIM needs to address the others.

Man am I happy I went with the 8700

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RIM all wrong too, man with three ball can not use BlackBerry

8700g

looks like the speakerphone is gone

Looks pretty sweet but the lack of the scroll wheel kinda sucks. I have been playing with a friends Pearl and I really don't like the scroll ball. No tacktile feedback. You don't know if you're going fast or slowly and such. We'll see.

this is my next bb i can guarantee you that!

Yea, like he said

WHERE IS THE SPEAKER PHONE?

Anybody know if this thing will be 3G enabled or HSDPA enabled for us north americain chaps???

If it's like the Pearl, then the speaker is on top of the phone. Speaker phone works pretty good if you have the phone lying on a table or something.

Anyone know the dimensions of this one yet?

The Goals are 114mm x 66mm x 14mm on the Black 8100 style 8800'

Thats what I heard at least.

Think one of each, per device...

You know, the lack of a scroll wheel is my big gripe as well. I remember loving the jog-dial on my old Sony PDA and was glad the BB used it as well. Plus the fact that it was on the side and felt natural in hold hand scrolling, makes a huge difference. Holding the BB only at the bottom while using the scroll isn't natural and feels like my thumb would cramp. Again, haven't tried the Pearl yet.

I asked the same question, and from what I have heard it will be EDGE only..... which kind of sucks...... but from what I have heard, they are not getting the HSDPA radios from the radio manfactures... (sory my spelling sucks)

I could be very wrong, but thats what I have heard...

I don't think you are totally correct, Boy Genius. If you have an unlocked GSM phone it will work, in theory, with any GSM carrier, such as Cingular or T-Mobile. It will not work on CDMA carriers such as Verizon and Sprint/Nextel. I don't think any US phone will work in Japan or China. I think GSM will work in Europe.

I say in theory because it is really up to the carrier to allow the device on their network. I have heard that Sprint will only allow their own branded phones to operate on their network. I do not think Cingular and T-Mo are of that same opionion, however.