Is the only reason the Javelin is not receiving the love like the bold because of the lack 3G? I seem to be one of the few actually interested in this device and its availabilty schedule all the while everyone else is foaming at the mouth for the bold.

Javelins Form factor looks amazing and I can live without 3g as my browsing is limited to looking up baseball stats, with WIFI or EDGE, thats fast enough for me!

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it's because it was first labeled as the "bold without 3G" when in fact it's really different from the bold. i don't get 3G in my area so i'd much rather have the javelin's smaller form factor instead of the bold.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the Javelin isn't even "official" and nobody really knows when it will be released. The Bold is announced, is up on various carriers websites, passed the FCC and is making it's way into stores.

When the Javelin is at the same point, I think you will find most Curve owners here seriously thinking about an upgrade. Until then, it's just rumors and leaked info.

If both the Bold and Javelin were released the same day I think you would find a more equal amount of excitement.

Its going to get love here!! If and when T-Mobile gets the Javelin, so will I

I'm with you. i want more info on Javelin and less hearing about the Bold's outrageous price

I have plenty of love for the Javelin's form factor. I think its the best looking Berry to date. The upgraded camera and the hot swap media card is outstanding.

To be honest, the MicroUSB is a real sour note, and the fact that its not on the release map as of yet.

I think there was a picture of it on the Rogers road map for late october early november, if im not mistaken

Based on historical performance of carrier road maps or plans, I put little more than hope, into these types of timeframes. When the Javelin is slated to be next in line for release, I think we will see an increase in love.

I'm as underwhelmed by Bold/3G hype as the OP.

But if these rumours are correct, there should be prizes for all in due course.

3G BlackBerry Javelin On The Horizon? | RIMarkable

Thanks for the link David. I would love to see the Bold trapped in the Javelin's body. That would be the ultimate (as long as they scrap this microUSB business) Berry. Smaller, sexier Bold with a 3.2MP camera...

I personally think that this will be a great device for users (like myself) who can less about the 3G. I have internet on my phone now and I use it will normal use daily and the speed is just fine. I can't wait until Tmobile gets that bad boy -- I will be first in line just like an Iphone junkie...

Nice.

Not a care in the world about the Javelin. If it's not going to have 3G, it can't be better than my Pearl as far as I'm concerned... then again, I love my Pearl, give me a Pearl with 3G, forget updating the rest of the system with specs like the Bold, and I'd still be happy. So in my case, yes, the 3G is the big factor.

3G will probably take forever to work its way downstate where I live, so I am not that concerned about it. The Wi-fi would be awesome enough for me. The Javelin is, however, throwing a wrench into my plans of wanting to switch to a Curve. If only there were concrete release info, then maybe I'd be convinced!

As someone else in the thread already said, I think because of the lack of any release whispers (or even the leaked photos of the device being acknowledged by RIM as a future device) is keeping the Javelin on the downlow.

I fail to really see a difference, other than some minor upgrades, from my Curve 8320. That is why I am not excited about this possible release. Why upgrade if I am not getting anything that is substantially more than what I have? 3G is the future, and while I am considering getting a Bold, I most definitely WON'T get a Javelin (unless my Curve breaks). Now, give me a 3G Javelin, and we can talk......Otherwise, the Javelin is just a Curve with a new dress and hairdo.

and you forgot, better specs then the curve....which is reason for me to upgrade.

Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about. The Jav has more usable mem for apps than the Bold, which has more than the Curve. Has better screen resolution than the Bold, which is Also better than the Curve. It has more memory overall than the Curve. It has a better camera than the Bold and the Curve. It is using a higher OS than the Bold and the Curve. There are some others but I'm not saying them since, well, you know, it's only a Curve with a new dress and hairdo.

I hear you loud and clear. I'm interested in the Bold, but from what I've read the Javelin will have better space between the keys, slightly higher res screen, way better camera (I like cameras), more memory, slightly smaller (I'm a pearl fan because of the width), cheaper and better battery life of course. No 3g where I am and browsing is mostly sports scores and movietimes. Bring it on, there will be a lot of takers IMO. I know that 3G is all the rage but I am really skeptical as to how much faster it is downloading big content loads and with WiFi almost everywhere I wouldn't use it that much even if I had it here. Think I'll just mess with buddies' Bolds until it comes out. With all the dropped calls and glitches that the Rogers Bold owners are having I don't want on of those yet anyway.

and GPS I believe..

The Javelin would be a great upgrade to the Curve if it had AWS (T-Mobile 3G support). But it doesn't have 3G and I would like to be able to take advantage of the 3G services that will be in my area come October.

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I could care less for 3g just at least be out by april next year when I can upgrade

Actually, I do have an idea about what I am talking about, and you should refrain from drawing conclusions about what one knows or doesn't. In any case, I agree that the specs of the Javelin are impressive, and if I were still carrying an 8700, I would most definitely upgrade. What I fail to see is why I would upgrade from a Curve. I haven't run out of memory on my Curve. If I want great pictures, I use my camera, not my cell phone. I am not watching movies on my cell phone, so I don't care about the screen resolution. And, if I am that lost that I need my cell phone to guide me back to civilization, then I have far bigger issues. If any of those things were issues, I would upgrade. But for me, they aren't.

What I WOULD like is faster browsing and the ability to get emails while on the phone. That is what 3G does. With T-Mo rolling out 3G in October, and this Javelin being released around, on or after that date (this I don't know), I still fail to see why I would upgrade to a 2.5G device when I have a perfectly good 2.5G device in my Curve. Still lipstick on a pig to me....

I tried a Bold for the first time yesterday in an Orange store.

My first impression was that it had a great screen. And that's it.

The keypad was similar to the 8800, which I'd disliked, and it was noticeably bigger, heavier and, yes, clunkier than the Curve.

As for 3G, patchy coverage and shorter battery life cool any lingering passion to view YouTube on the bus (it's more fun watching my fellow passenger's iPhone freeze) and reminds me of what BBs do best.

If Javelin turns out to be old wine in a new bottle, well the old wine tasted great anyway.

I myself cannot wait for the Javelin. It will be right around contract time for me( we did an early renew for the wife as she washed her phone....don't ask). I am so looking forward to this release.
I too do not care about the 3G as all I really use it for is Sports scores and maybe once in a while tethering while in the car(wife).

That 3.2 MP camera would be enough for me!!!

Only 3 upgrades:
processor, camera and screen.
Nothing else is new.

Bold on the other hand:
Onboard memory, processor, 3g, bigger screen, higher resolution screen, revamped keyboard (I think?) Sexy design.

I would love to hold a Bold and a Javelin to do a side-by-side comparison. The design and form would be sure to figure prominently in my opinion of the two.

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Here is a side by side pic. You can see how much smaller the Javelin is compared to the Bold.

You forgot OS. The Javelin will have the OS 4.6 like the Bold. So really, the only thing the Bold has over the Javelin is 3G and a bigger form factor that many do not like.

The Javelin as far as looks walks all over the Bold. Although the processor is a tad slower it is still a better device than the Bold. Net speed is the only thing the Bold is winning.

I think the Bold is the biggest, ugliest thing since the 8800. The Curve is the perfect size, getting the Bold to me would be like going backwards. I'm waiting for the Javelin.

No.

Bold advantages:

- 3g speed
- 1gb built in memory
- 600+mhz processor
- Bigger screen
- Keeps the standard miniUSB port

Javelin advantages:

- 3mp camera vs 2mp on Bold
- Smaller size
- seperated keys

unknowns:

- Will the Bold have a louder speakerphone? It is bigger, might have been harder to put such a nice big pair of speakers in the smaller Javelin.

- Will the Javelin have better battery life? While it will not have 3g draining power it will also likely drop back to a curve sized battery (~1100 mAh vs the 1500 mAh of the Bold)


I see advantages to both, personally the first next generation Blackberry to support T-Mobile 3g will find a place in my pocket!

The Bold has a bigger screen but the resolution on the Javelin is better. The Javelin also more memory for apps than the Bold, yeah the Bold has 1GB internal and 128MB for apps while the Jav has 256 for apps. Big difference. Also the Jav is running a higher build OS than the Bold.

- The pixel density on the Bold is, in my opinion, high enough. There is no need for a higher resolution.

- I am sure by the time the Javelin is released we will see an equivelent OS version for the Bold.

- You have a point about the application memory difference. Personally, 128 is about twice what I need. I also tend to reboot every day or two, so cumulative loss from memory leaks doesnt bother me.

THAT is what it basically comes down to in my book.....

i'm excited for the Javelin, and thats what I want!

I could care less about 3G. So the bold isn't pulling me in.

I can tell you why its pushing me away, the form factor and keys!

What do I really want? More memory, which both have! Faster processor, which both have! WIFI and GPS together, they both got it! Nicer screen? Don't care for, but that is a plus, they both have it.

So to me, it came down to form factor, I don't want another 8800.

While I do want to try a blackberry with 3G, It looks like the Javalin is a better phone.

Also, I love the keyboard of the 8300, on the 8800, not so much.

3g and ability to get emails to me anywhere im at is important, so until javelin does its useless. although the camera seems awesome

I'm not up on the hype of this phone at all or any phone T mobile phone for that matter. My issue is more with T mobiles network okay let's put it like this. Does the Javelin have a video recorder? Does the Javelin have youtube support on it? Does the Javelin have soft keys? T mobiles network sucks. I'm useing a 8320 and can't even log onto youtube and the video sucks big time on the 8320. My only thing is if T mobile comes out with a hot phone add better network offer more to the customer. I love blackberries why pay some much and don't get much on the network. Sprint and other networks their BB are better because they offer more than just the OS.I was so mad when I found out I T mobile don't support youtube or any kind of video on their 8320 other than that lame receiveing videos

Yes the Javelin has a video recorder. Yes you can watch youtube on the Javelin. It has GPS as well as wifi.
Now your 8320 can have a video recorder and watch youtube as well. Go to the 83xx forum and look at the OS 4.5 sticky's and upgrade your OS and you too will have a video recorder and have the ability to watch youtube. ;)