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Old 02-28-2010, 09:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ok so yeah my mate found it and im thinking of buying it of him, anyway he found it his took the sim out of it, it has a password on it i heard if you enter the wrong password more then 10 times it will turn on, can i unlock it and use it on pay as you go can anybody trace me any other hints or tips ?


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No.

What you can do is try to return it to its rightful owner. If you lost your device, would you want someone coming on here trying to find out how to use it, or would you want them to return it to you?

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firstly i didnt find it my mate did, he found it in a car park so where would he go to return it and his got rid of the sim card i just wanna buy it. and when i class him as my mate i mean someone ive just done business with before offering me a deal, to be honest i would return it but that would mean me buying it off him for like 120-150 then trying to find who it belongs to.

im not going to buy it anyway, (please delete thread)

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There are plenty of ways. What car park did he find it in? Go to the shop there, maybe the owner reported it lost and left contact info.

Call the carrier and give them the device info, they can contact the owner.

The fact of the matter is that you don't want to do the right thing.

It the owner of the device called the carrier and reported it lost/stolen, then go ahead and buy it, it will be a brick when it comes to data services. Waste your money if you wish, or do the right thing.

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ok im not going to buy it ill just buy one on pay monthly, someones selling it who i know so i havent found it nor is the phone mine but i will tell him to return it if he listens to me.

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Shame on you anyway for not making your mate do the right thing!
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Actually somebody could argue that the rightful owner of the goods bears greater responsibility to protect his/her property than some random walk-by-er who accidentally stepped on it.

I never really thought much of it, until some years loong loong time ago i had someone return to me the night before my flight my samsonite purse that had a substantial amount of cash, my passport, my flight tickets, my credit cards, my keys, my blackberry and personal documents. UNTOUCHED. Realising that he could have easily pocketed the cash and the berry and binned the rest, or even worse abuse my cards and my personal information (my keys and my address/passports were in) i put my hand in my wallet, pulled all the cash out and gave it to him.

From that time onwards i have returned briefcases to owners, returned a laptop to an airline that used ticket info to call the owner on the speaker and return it, have taken 4 wallets to local police stations and 1 to the owner, returned 2 cells, a gift bag with an expensive gift (i used the retailer to pull payment info) and some envelopes/dossiers with personal documents.

I also had my keys and my wallet returned to me once more after that and my laptop bag with a powerbook and documents. Even in this forum when i smashed my Bold on the hotel's marble floor in pieces, Jadey (a mod in this forum) took time out of her weekend to meet with me and bring me a berry for free. And i had less than 2 posts here, and i was a complete stranger to her.

I strongly oppose any kind of superstition ( any form of religion included) but it seems that good things happen to you when you do the right thing. And if not for that, do it for the warm and fuzzy feeling inside
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Actually somebody could argue that the rightful owner of the goods bears greater responsibility to protect his/her property than some random walk-by-er who accidentally stepped on it.
heh, you can argue anything you want. One who finds another's goods and doesn't make ANY attempt to return or find the owner is in the wrong.

And x2 if they don't do so AND then try to sell the goods to benefit their own good.
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heh, you can argue anything you want. One who finds another's goods and doesn't make ANY attempt to return or find the owner is in the wrong.

And x2 if they don't do so AND then try to sell the goods to benefit their own good.
Nah, they are not in the wrong. There is no social, economic or even legal requirement that forces you to correct misplacement of property by a third party. I can find a 3000 bucks laptop in the forest and bin it because i love the forest and i consider a piece of toxic plastic, poisonous gasses and batteries rotting away to be destructive to the ecosystem. I may give it to a recycle company and don't have a care in the world whom it belongs to.

There is no moral nor social nor any kind of obligation to return the goods and it's borderline dogmatic trying to play the guilt game of what one should do, and being "wrong".

Personally i return lost property because it makes me feel nice (i am under no obligation to do it) so it's a personal thing for me. I also had my own property returned as explained in the other post so that might have shaped my behaviour. If there are people out there nice enough to return my CASH and electronics it's only fair that im gonna be nice back to them. In the process i realised that i receive greater personal satisfaction by helping people than entertaining temporarily myself with something i stepped on. So i do it because it makes me feel good.

I think in a weird bizzare way i satisfy my ego by returning other people's goods. I actively support some charities and i believe i might do it for the same reasons. So in a sense i "benefit my own good" by helping others. I guess i'm wrong then JSanders :(

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Do unto others . . . It is "The Golden Rule" for a reason. Not just because it makes you feel nice. No amount of philosophising away "rules" of social order changes what is.
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Nah, they are not in the wrong. There is no social, economic or even legal requirement that forces you to correct misplacement of property by a third party.
No, nothing legal requiring it. I never said there was.

But moral and social? Well, that depends on your own moral compass and society in which you belong. That in which I live has higher expectations of me, and it would be wrong for me to not make some effort to return the found goods.

Doing it because you "feel good" is reason enough for you. Great.
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I fully understand where you're coming from JSanders. I can fully comprehend the reasons behind it as well, and i couldn't possibly agree more. What i have issues with is your attempt to sociopartisan yourself on the chair of socionormality (or what you perceive as socionorm) by ostracising behaviour of members of your extended social group that the law maker didn't cater for. There is no "right" and "wrong". There is an element of wishful expectation in that situation but it's not strong enough to command a disturbance of the social fabric if not complied upon.

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You are aware that synergistic and evolutionary models based on reciprocity fail from sociobiology straight down to kin selection, right? :P
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It is 'opinions' like yours that have invaded our society; that there is no right or wrong, just do what 'feels good'.

You may do one thing, as you said, but you encourage another. Your words don't fit your actions.

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If you take my words out of context enough you'll soon pin the Kennedy assassination on me. I said "in this situation" there is no right and wrong.

Let's break it down to dimes, for the.. rest of us.

If a social act is perceived to be universally wrong (for example MURDER) the law maker has already provisioned PUNISHMENT for it.

If a social act has no clear indicator of being universally right or wrong (for example RETURNING LOST GOODS) the law maker has provisioned COMPENSATION for it. You are allowed BY LAW to keep portion of the value of the returned items.

Society perceives the act of not returning lost goods as "wrong" as not recycling. They subsidize both in an attempt to drive the direction of act.

And i never encouraged anybody to do anything. I explained what I DO. I never invaded your society, nor did i try to shove my perceptions of morality down your throat. I never called people right or wrong either. I pretty much did what the lawmaker does. You did the rest.

Please kill the thread because we're wayyy overboard from the OP. It would have been interesting if we were able to avoid the ad hominem, understand each other and keep it civil. Sadly, we're unable to by the looks of it.

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I've been there done that with intelligent, educated individuals who "live by their own code." They follow their heart, or whatever. They use their intelligence to rationalize their own behavior. They argue from their conclusions.

Problem is, the blackberry is traceable. A blackberry dropped in a parking lot or wherever isn't far different from an unlocked car with the keys in it. It's indeed closer to the car than an unmarked envelop of cash.

That isn't for the poster. It's for those who don't recognize sophistry when they see it.

Like JSanders says, it's everywhere, and it ain't good.
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It's actually miiiles apart. Entering premises you haven't been invited in is still trespassing, even with doors wide open, driving away in an unlocked car you don't own is still grand theft auto. Access to the keys takes it down to TWOC (taken without owner consent) Still punishable, still a crime.

Keeping a 10 dollar note you stepped on the street, a blackberry or a piece of string IS NOT. It would be nice to return it for whatever reason but you DONT have to. If you strongly disagree with the lawmaker i would advice you lobby for the penal code to be amended in your jurisdiction. Plain and simple.

I would never allow my personal interpretation of morality to step between people's rights and the letter of the law.

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What is legal is beside the point. The law is always about what is legal and what is not; it is never about right and wrong, which suits some individuals just fine.



There are many things done legally that are wrong. But being wrong is no inconvenience for someone who rejects the concept of right and wrong.

Making an attempt to return a lost blackberry is the right thing to do. Turning it in to lost and found is the right thing to do.



If I catch you with my blackberry and you hesitate to give it back, I'm going to kick your ass. I'll probably be guilty of assault, but I'll still be right.



An overly legalistic governing of one's behavior is disaster for society. Must we have a law for every concievable eventuallity? What is not legal is forbidden? What is not illegeal is acceptable? Humans have seen both, and it's been disaster.
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What is legal is beside the point.
That's a loose interpretation of morality right there. Law exists exactly to protect the rest of us from people like yourself.

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No, you'll be wrong, and a thug. The right thing would be to press charges against me for unlawfully holding your property. You must be extremely young and naive to believe that you can roam the streets causing great bodily harm to members of society just because they don't comply to the disturbed perception of morality that constitutes a life code only in your deranged mind.
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Very humorous.







I'm not young and I'm not deranged.







And you can't recognize hyperbole.



And you evade the thrust of the post.

EDIT: afterthought ... If the person who found my blackberry that I dropped doesn't give it back, how can I press charges. If I understand that he has no legal obligation to give it back, what is my legal standing. Seems to me it's now his property. Or is it not? When is it, and when not? Obly when he takes it from me? But not when I'm careless and drop it in a parking lot or in a booth in a restaraunt, or something like that?
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