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11-30-2007, 12:49 AM
How about full HTML email and browsing and a bigger freaking screen? It's a little overdue, don't you think RIM?
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11-30-2007, 02:27 AM
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personally i think that suretype would fix the biggest complaint that ive heard about the iphone. and any touchscreen device should work as expected as RIM has always put functionality before aesthtics
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No it shouldnt. The iPhone sold to millions primarily because of aesthetics. If you made it functional by removing the senseless animations that happen when you do anything, it would not have sold to the same croud as much as it did.
As it stands there are far more people who buy based on aesthetics and sexiness than there are people who just want a functional device without as much of the aesthetic.
Sexy sells and Apple knows it.
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11-30-2007, 10:41 AM
More 9100 rumors from BG: BlackBerry 9000 specs revealed, our early Christmas present to you | The Boy Genius Report
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The BlackBerry 9100 will sport a screen with the dimensions of 480 x 320 (or maybe that’s 320 x 480), 1GB of on-board memory, and an Intel XScale PXA270 processor at 624MHz, clocking in slightly faster than the 620MHz ARM 1173 processor found in the iPhone. The BlackBerry 9000 will sport the dual-threat of GPS and WiFi as well as introducing 3G support (multi-band HSDPA) to the GSM carrier family devices, answering the prayers of many of us. At this point in time, there’s no update to the camera, which remains at 2 megapixels, although we’re hearing there is the possibility of seeing a 3.2 megapixel camera at launch.
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11-30-2007, 10:54 AM
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Listen I hear angels singing......
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12-06-2007, 06:10 AM
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What about touch screen AND keyboard? Keyboard for input but the touchscreen for application selection, scrolling, consumer appealing fancy junk?
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12-11-2007, 11:54 AM
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12-17-2007, 04:30 AM
u guys are nuts...bb is not going anywhere...just enjoy the phone that you have and as long as you are happy with what youve got who the hell cares about what is coming out...bb will do what they think is best for them and if that means a touch screen so be it... no doubt they will still sell a phone with the keyboard because the keyboards are amazing and consumers will demand it...despite the industry that phones are...it is still a sovereign market and we dictate what gets sold
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12-17-2007, 09:58 AM
this is just my opinion but isn't BB...BB for a reason? I do like the iphone it's very unique but It's not for me...I like a keyboard. I do way too much texting to be trying to hit the right buttons on a touchscreen and I used to have a stylus with treo and id rather do without. I'll be shocked if BB does come out with the IBB which is exactly what it looks like. To me BB has always been their own entity so I dont see them selling out anytime soon. Personally the only thing I would use the iphone for would be pictures. It's nice to view them and scroll through them on the phone...I would also use it for mp3...but not for my phone and my texting. Isn't that what the itouch is...everything i just said without the phone? That would work. Anyway I just don't think BB should feel a need to jump on the Iwagon...the grass isnt always greener...
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12-17-2007, 04:45 PM
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Infrared port would be awesome. Wish my phone had that. =P
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12-18-2007, 10:05 AM
IR is dead. It is never coming back.
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12-18-2007, 05:15 PM
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Infrared port would be awesome. Wish my phone had that. =P
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I haven't used IR since 2002! What do you use it for? Lol.
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02-16-2008, 07:50 PM
I think it would be great if it had an ir port because that opens up alot of other applications for the unit
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02-16-2008, 07:51 PM
It won't have an IR port.
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02-16-2008, 07:58 PM
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I think it would be great if it had an ir port because that opens up alot of other applications for the unit
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i dont think ive used IR since i got rid of my Palms. Never really saw a use for being a few inches away from something, to a few feet. Bluetooth is alot better, 30-150ft is nice.
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02-16-2008, 08:06 PM
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I think it would be great if it had an ir port because that opens up alot of other applications for the unit
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Nobody uses IR now a days. They used to be commonly found in PDA type devices, but have not been used in ANY device for good reason. That type of networking has been replaced by Bluetooth, which requires less power, has more capability, and provides smaller footprint "on board". People are going more compact, and wasting real estate on a compact device for something nobody uses is pretty pointless.
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02-18-2008, 04:33 PM
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personally i think that suretype would fix the biggest complaint that ive heard about the iphone. and any touchscreen device should work as expected as RIM has always put functionality before aesthtics
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Have you ever tried to type on one of those things? Suretype ain't the answer. I've taken the iPhone for a spin, out of curiosity, and the lack of a keyboard was a b#tch. No way I could come close to typing with the same efficiency and speed as on my 8800. Just no way. The lack of tactile feedback is impossible to get used to, at least for me. A 9900 without a keyboard -- might as well get the original, the iPhone. I'll stick with my 8800 and resent the s#it out of Rimm for not making a 3G phone that I can use.
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02-18-2008, 06:02 PM
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Have you ever tried to type on one of those things? Suretype ain't the answer. I've taken the iPhone for a spin, out of curiosity, and the lack of a keyboard was a b#tch. No way I could come close to typing with the same efficiency and speed as on my 8800. Just no way. The lack of tactile feedback is impossible to get used to, at least for me. A 9900 without a keyboard -- might as well get the original, the iPhone. I'll stick with my 8800 and resent the s#it out of Rimm for not making a 3G phone that I can use.
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I can type 2x faster on my iPhone than I can on my BB 8310.
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02-18-2008, 07:21 PM
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I can type 2x faster on my iPhone than I can on my BB 8310.
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Weren't you bashing the iPhone not too long ago? Not just bashing but you were an all out, **** IPHONES ...wasn't that you?
lol @ 2x faster on the iPhone...
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02-18-2008, 07:23 PM
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I can type 2x faster on my iPhone than I can on my BB 8310.
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you must not have very much experience typing on the BB. I use mine all day every day and get close to 50wpm on the qwerty devices now. I would like to see anyone with an iphone type that fast, let alone twice as fast as that.
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02-18-2008, 07:27 PM
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Have you ever tried to type on one of those things? Suretype ain't the answer. I've taken the iPhone for a spin, out of curiosity, and the lack of a keyboard was a b#tch. No way I could come close to typing with the same efficiency and speed as on my 8800. Just no way. The lack of tactile feedback is impossible to get used to, at least for me. A 9900 without a keyboard -- might as well get the original, the iPhone. I'll stick with my 8800 and resent the s#it out of Rimm for not making a 3G phone that I can use.
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I was out last night with my brother and his girlfriend. She has an iphone and I usually mess with it when we are together. Well yesterday I really wanted to try typing on it. I could not spell out one complete word without having to go back and correct a letter. The keyboard is far too narrow to be on a touchscreen.
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02-18-2008, 07:34 PM
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Weren't you bashing the iPhone not too long ago? Not just bashing but you were an all out, **** IPHONES ...wasn't that you?
lol @ 2x faster on the iPhone...
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Yes I was actually. Then I took the time to really get to know one. I was slow at first, then slowly got used to it. And when I started to trust the correction I got fast. On the BB I was quick, about 30 wpm. On the iPhone I can hit buttons very accurately, but move quicker because of absolutely no pressure. My hand eye coordination is suppurb, maybe that has something to do with it. And, I watched a lady type close to my full keyboard typing speed. This is being typed on the iPhone btw.
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02-19-2008, 02:30 AM
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My hand eye coordination is suppurb, maybe that has something to do with it.
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CONCEITED!!! Loool. Just kidding. I think it's easier to type on a "feed back" device where you can feel what your pressing. OK, there's no doubt that you could memorize where the keys are, and then eventually know where you're hitting, but I dunno .... I wouldn't mind typing on a buttonless keypad, but I'd prefer the feedback of knowing where the buttons are (Hyptics maybe?). But there is an attractive thing about touchscreens.... IT'S A FULL SCREEN!!!! Imagine a blackberry with A FULL SCREEN! That would rule :P. Mayble a flip out keyboard  I'd go for that! Ideas?
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02-19-2008, 02:34 AM
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Yes I was actually. Then I took the time to really get to know one. I was slow at first, then slowly got used to it. And when I started to trust the correction I got fast. On the BB I was quick, about 30 wpm. On the iPhone I can hit buttons very accurately, but move quicker because of absolutely no pressure. My hand eye coordination is suppurb, maybe that has something to do with it. And, I watched a lady type close to my full keyboard typing speed. This is being typed on the iPhone btw.
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so you are saying you type 4 characters per second on the iPhone with 0 errors? i fnd that VERY hard to believe. most people cannot type that fast on a full computer keyboard let alone a mobile device. Statistically the iPhone is the worst of the PDA devices in terms of typing speed and accuracy. obviously there are some abberrations to this, but to be able to type that much faster I would have to see to believe. 60wpm on any mobile device is nearly inconceivable. As to a touchscreen BB with a full screen, i think the half vga screen on the rumored 9000 series is more than enough. Keep in mind that larger screen with higher resolution will use more battery life than other devices.
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02-19-2008, 02:58 AM
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so you are saying you type 4 characters per second on the iPhone with 0 errors? i fnd that VERY hard to believe. most people cannot type that fast on a full computer keyboard let alone a mobile device. Statistically the iPhone is the worst of the PDA devices in terms of typing speed and accuracy. obviously there are some abberrations to this, but to be able to type that much faster I would have to see to believe. 60wpm on any mobile device is nearly inconceivable. As to a touchscreen BB with a full screen, i think the half vga screen on the rumored 9000 series is more than enough. Keep in mind that larger screen with higher resolution will use more battery life than other devices.
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So just because you can't do it, it means nobody else can? Go to youtube and search for iPhone typing speed and watch lots of people type. I know a lady that can type over 45 wpm on her iPhone, and you can watch people do it on youtube. I can guarantee that I can type faster on my iPhone than I can on my 8310. On my 8310 I am around 30+ and on this thing I am faster. The touch screen on this thing cannot be compared to any other touch screen on any other device now, or that has ever been produced. Go on youtube and look for yourself, and realize your inability to type on iPhone is YOUR inability that does not reflect everyone.
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02-19-2008, 03:01 AM
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So just because you can't do it, it means nobody else can? Go to youtube and search for iPhone typing speed and watch lots of people type. I know a lady that can type over 45 wpm on her iPhone, and you can watch people do it on youtube. I can guarantee that I can type faster on my iPhone than I can on my 8310. On my 8310 I am around 30+ and on this thing I am faster. The touch screen on this thing cannot be compared to any other touch screen on any other device now, or that has ever been produced. Go on youtube and look for yourself, and realize your inability to type on iPhone is YOUR inability that does not reflect everyone.
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never a question on if i can do it or not. i never mentioned my ability to type 60wpm. I said I would have to see it to believe it. I have known hundreds of people in the mobile phone business, and have not seen a single person that can type that fast on a mobile device. You said you can type twice as fast on the iPhone as your BB, if you can type 30wpm on the BB, that means 60 on the iPhone.
Let me correct myself, you said 30+ on your 8310, and twice as fast on your iPhone. so we will do the whole gambit. 30-39 on the 8310 = 60-78wpm on the iphone.
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02-19-2008, 03:03 AM
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CONCEITED!!! Loool. Just kidding. I think it's easier to type on a "feed back" device where you can feel what your pressing. OK, there's no doubt that you could memorize where the keys are, and then eventually know where you're hitting, but I dunno .... I wouldn't mind typing on a buttonless keypad, but I'd prefer the feedback of knowing where the buttons are (Hyptics maybe?). But there is an attractive thing about touchscreens.... IT'S A FULL SCREEN!!!! Imagine a blackberry with A FULL SCREEN! That would rule :P. Mayble a flip out keyboard  I'd go for that! Ideas?
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I agree haptics would make it better. I go back and forth between this and my 8310. Its weird because I get used to typing with absolutely no pressure. When I go to BB, the keys feel heavy. LOL. One plus about the BB though, is that I can type better drunk on it! LOL. I gave taken iPhone to clubs, and by middle of night my fast iPhone typing starts to look like a mix of letters because my fingers slide.
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02-19-2008, 03:08 AM
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never a question on if i can do it or not. i never mentioned my ability to type 60wpm. I said I would have to see it to believe it. I have known hundreds of people in the mobile phone business, and have not seen a single person that can type that fast on a mobile device. You said you can type twice as fast on the iPhone as your BB, if you can type 30wpm on the BB, that means 60 on the iPhone.
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Ok well maybe not double. I can type as fast as my brother on a full keyboard and that is around 49 wpm. Go on youtube and watch people type faster than that. Its very possible on iPhone i do it all the time. I'm just not as fast as some people I have seen in person and on videos.
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02-19-2008, 03:10 AM
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Ok well maybe not double. I can type as fast as my brother on a full keyboard and that is around 49 wpm. Go on youtube and watch people type faster than that. Its very possible on iPhone i do it all the time. I'm just not as fast as some people I have seen in person and on videos.
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49 i wouldnt doubt, though doing some quick google searching looks like the average is around 30-35wpm with 1-3 errors. 49 puts you squarely above average in terms of mobile typing speed, and a hair below average for a full keyboard.
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02-19-2008, 03:23 AM
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49 i wouldnt doubt, though doing some quick google searching looks like the average is around 30-35wpm with 1-3 errors. 49 puts you squarely above average in terms of mobile typing speed, and a hair below average for a full keyboard.
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All I can say is search youtube for some above 40 wpm iphone typing and some above 50. Yes I hit a few keys wrong. I just did a "this is a test of the emergency broadcasting system" test and I think I hit 2 wrong keys. But I never had to backspace once because it automatically corrected my typing. I just kept going. Most people type slow because they don't trust it and backspace everytime they hit a wrong letter. That always slows them down.
I'm not trying to prove anything other than "its a touchscreen so typing must be slow" mentality is completely wrong. Thats like some people I have talked to have said that suretype is slow because you don't have all the keys. But I can type just as fast on suretype with my pearl. Should I start saying suretype sucks just because some people don't like it? Some mods here swear by it and say its just as fast. I do to, but not all.
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02-19-2008, 03:27 AM
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All I can say is search youtube for some above 40 wpm iphone typing and some above 50. Yes I hit a few keys wrong. I just did a "this is a test of the emergency broadcasting system" test and I think I hit 2 wrong keys. But I never had to backspace once because it automatically corrected my typing. I just kept going. Most people type slow because they don't trust it and backspace everytime they hit a wrong letter. That always slows them down.
I'm not trying to prove anything other than "its a touchscreen so typing must be slow" mentality is completely wrong. Thats like some people I have talked to have said that suretype is slow because you don't have all the keys. But I can type just as fast on suretype with my pearl. Should I start saying suretype sucks just because some people don't like it? Some mods here swear by it and say its just as fast. I do to, but not all.
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not saying it must be slow because it is a touch screen, just saying statistically the tests that have been done, have touchscreens, specifically the iPhone finishing at the bottom of the pile.
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02-19-2008, 03:37 AM
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not saying it must be slow because it is a touch screen, just saying statistically the tests that have been done, have touchscreens, specifically the iPhone finishing at the bottom of the pile.
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Good thing I don't care about statistics. I just know I'm faster than most people I know that are on BB with my iPhone and that is all that matters. Statistics mean absolutely nothing. I love both my BB and this iPhone I type on now. I used to bash it hard, as people here know. When it comes down to it, my BB is a far better work machine and my iphone is far better at everything else. As far as I see it, they are two devices made for two markets and i don't get why people compare them as much as they do.
Where BB sucks iPhone excels. And where iphone sucks BB excels. So I have both.
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02-19-2008, 10:20 AM
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I haven't used IR since 2002! What do you use it for? Lol.
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Supra Locks. Well, I don't use it but it's why a lot of real estate agents have preferred the Treo. That said, I don't see IR on a future BB.
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02-19-2008, 10:21 AM
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Supra Locks. Well, I don't use it but it's why a lot of real estate agents have preferred the Treo.
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only because they dont want the expense of switching to a bluetooth enabled lock-box. those ones work with the blackberry and have since the 7520 days.
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02-19-2008, 01:06 PM
All I can say is that the touch screens would be a bad move. Im hoping they stick to the keyboard. When time is of the essence, touch screens aren't the best option.
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02-19-2008, 01:17 PM
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02-19-2008, 01:19 PM
clearly photoshopped... i see no birds flying backwards and upside down. i call fake!
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02-24-2008, 07:36 PM
suppurb?
your iPhone 9000 words per minute isnt much of a spell checker!
Sheepdog-Protecting the flock!
still using 4.2.2.176 *yawn*
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02-25-2008, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice
i dont think ive used IR since i got rid of my Palms. Never really saw a use for being a few inches away from something, to a few feet. Bluetooth is alot better, 30-150ft is nice.
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You never wanted to use your phone as a tv remote?
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02-25-2008, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by betterlate1
You never wanted to use your phone as a tv remote?
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slingbox on my phone is much more important. if i am close enough to use my BB as a TV remote via IR, why not just use a TV remote?
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