it was confirmed for Vodafone as another 8xxx series device

To me a touchscreen just gets in the way and slows you down at least when it comes to BB's. Why does it matter when US carriers offer this with al of the radio options available you can get it unlocked and not worry about contract extensions.

[quote=simulator;790501]Is that a touchpad rather than a trackball? That would be a massive improvement.

X2 i didnt like the trackball at all, went back to the 8700 cuz of it.

the more you use the pearl the faster you will get with it. it does have advantages over the trackwheel.

I agree. The ball blows away the wheel.

Yea I know, I was very good at using the trackball on Centipede arcade game.

The BGR site no longer has the pics or any news from 1/5/08 relating to the Vodafone Roadmap and specifically the phone called the 8920 on their site. Rather odd or did they hit something way to close to home.

Its still up on Berryshack, 1/3 way down on homepage.

BerryShack

I've been told that BG will post anything, and of course being a "new poster" I'm not expecting anyone to take my information as legit either.

I can pretty much guarantee that what I posted is a 9000 series. Whoever at vodaphone released those slides with their entire years product lineup is going to have fun looking for a new job.

Aparently they're now completely revamping their lineup due to this leak though.

This phone is a 9000 series, and I will accept apologies when it comes out

If I'm wrong, then RIM employees are pretty good at making sure misinformation goes around. Seeing as RIM doesnt directly comment, most employees don't care if they give out info that is already speculated. The big thing is that they are not to give out specific hardware/software specs. most employees only know devices by code name anyways.

Wirelessly posted (BB 8300: BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/133)

Ok then I'm confused! I've seen a bunch of info on this new bb that's coming out for vodafone in may! Is it going to be 3g or not? I saw it has hspda, but that's 3.5g, and from what I've read, the bb is edge + 3.5g! Can anyone clarify thay doubt? I'm really waiting for faster internet and file transfers here where there is no edge access. So yeah. Bb 8xxx = 3g or not? Thanks

HSDPA is 3g, Edge is technically 2.5g (same with EVDO. Though VZW and Sprint will call it 3g.) Technically, according to RIM, 3g allows simultaneous voice and data functionality, so any WI-FI berry is "3g". The new 8xxx series will be 3g with Wi-FI and GPS supposedly. Again though, its just a rumor at this point.

Those Vodafone PPT's are not exactly the most confidential of documents, they are often sent out to their indirect channel and any information past the next quarter it was produced in is nearly always inaccurate handsets are dropped new ones are added and release dates are changed, the specs are often not even finalised, the 8110 page had a picture of the 8100 and that's due to drop on my desk on the 28th of this month!

Bhupinder Pannesar probably won't be sacked Vodafone EBU probably use the same image internally for a lot of documentation so the leak could have come from one of dozens of Vodafone staff or any one of the indirect partners

see above, they revamp it all the time.

Again the codenames are not entirely secret, usually used to refer to a project before the commercial model name is decided. Ask your RIM buddy what the "Indy" is. Also from the "eyes only" presentation we got from RIM on the next "slick, consumer i-phone like device" has a much larger screen than the 9000/8920/8xxx pictures we have been seeing.

HSDPA is a layer on UMTS (GSM 3G). It's not possible to have HSDPA without a UMTS radio. I guess you could block non-HSDPA connections, but I can't see why anyone would do that. So the answer is: if it has HSDPA it has 3G.

To be fair, this looked pretty darn authentic to post. With that said, it was an internal roadmap document to Vodafone, so their information was likely not finalized, hence the 'xxx' part of the device series. I will agree that I think this is a 9000 series device, but there is a chance that it is an 8000 series device. I do not think this is the 8920 or the 8500 or whatever else these crazies have digged up from registered domain names, as RIM owns the entire blocks of the 8000 increments. The specs I've seen on the 9000, dated as of yesterday, did not indicate that it was equipped with UMTS capabilities. Who knows, though.

Thanks for the clear up guys! Gotta love forums .

I don't think it's the 9000 series, but something probably in the 8000 series. I have to admit it does look sleek and stylish, just shows more of RIM migrating towards the consumer side and not the business side. They will always have their business features, but hey who says business has to be boring and dull... if this is what the new Berries are like, I like the direction that RIM is going at... as for the stories from Cooper, sorry I just don't think they're true, but thanks for posting anyways, stirred up a nice conversation and some thought into what the 9000 series might be and what that mysterious phone might be.

To be fair, Cooper's store is one block from RIM's Waterloo campus, so I'm pretty sure there's some - if not complete - truth in his postings. I've heard many, many stories that come from employees venturing out around the RIM campus and UW campus and the surrounding areas. I've seen pictures of devices months and months before they were launched or leaked by any carrier. It seems that most RIM employees in charge of various projects, such as BES or devices, would like to point fingers at carriers and large companies as the source for these NDA-protected leaks and make bold claims that people in Waterloo are fired for sourcing leaks or taking test devices out of the office (thus they are scared to do so and definitely not the source), but there's a lot of truth behind what Cooper says (else we wouldn't continue to hear stories about new device sightings, etc in and around Waterloo). Heck, they say that Mike Lazaridis gets prototype happy in Waterloo when visiting executives visit Waterloo and empties the treasure chest of R&D devices (per RIM employees not actual corporate executives who have visited).

Truthfully, I could care less what they call it. I just really hope it has HSDPA, which Jibi has cast into doubt from the specs he has seen.

dont know if anyone posted this link yet, but this is the real 9000....

BlackBerry 9000 specs revealed, our early Christmas present to you | The Boy Genius Report

That is a photoshopped 8300. That's not any device.

What would really be sweet is the ability to have a user call into the helpdesk on the BB phone and be able to walk her/him through various troubleshooting steps (purging emails, reconcile now, resend service books, accepting calendar appointments & similar issues) without the need to powercycle the unit. Furthermore even be able to see the progress of the Wireless E.A.

PS I'd LOVE for the BES to be able to take a screenshot wirelessly of the handset (similar to it capturing information like battery strength, installed apps) and display it to the admin - just in case a user cannot fully describe what is happening or some understanding/interpretation barrier (which is VERY VERY rare).

It still makes me wonder why BGR site has removed all of the information, sure other sites have it listed (copies from BGR or other sources) but the links are dead. The name or product family are of little concern to me, what I do care about is the possibility of Tri-band 3G+, Quad band GSM/Edge, GPS, WiFi, better screen and the camera can go either way. But the package looks nice and in the world of super secret project mfg's even RIM needs to step up the game because regardless of what we feel about the apple phone it has market share and will continue to grow. RIM needs to keep its position in the lead.

BGR's isn't dead, a few posts up have his link.

i wonder if they'll take off the mandatory *click* sound for the camera, hahahah

doubtful...

The removal of the post had nothing to do with false information contained within it.

I really like this blackberry.

I personally dont like the black and red it almost looks like a verizon creation. Although, i like it alot alot. I will be buying it when its released.

Vodafone owns Verizon so it could be part of it

Possibly-although I think Verizon makes it's phone choices pretty independant of Vodafone for the most part. Keep in mind tht Voda runs a GSM network while Verizon is on CDMA. They would need both versions of the 9000. Not insurmountable, but not a slam dunk either.

I wasn't saying BGR posted false information to begin with. My comment was more to the point was the information too close to home for RIM to not request it be removed.

Verizon would get another CDMA/GSM Hybrid like the 8830 not a quad GSM phone.

Vodafone doesnt own verizon, they have less than a 40% stake in the company, which Verizon is in the process of buying back. (last fiscal report that i saw)

Verizon owns 55% of Verizon Wireless. Vodafone owns the other 45% share. Verizon wants the Vodafone share, but Vodafone doesn't plan to give it up. Their joint effort towards LTE more than solidifies their partnership for the near-distant future. Keep in mind that it was less than 3 years ago that Vodafone was looking into buying a majority stake in the company and a bit more than a year ago that Verizon was looking at buying out Vodafone's stake in their love-child. The partnership won't be heading South any time soon.

is it 45%. hmm thought it was lower than that. anyway thanks for the update