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This commentary taken from BLACKBERRY COOL and over the hype I think they are the most sincere questions about the 9000 series without fanboyism:


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Now if only RIM would incorporate a similar type browser in the BB.

that might bring you back eh? check the aftermarket section just posted a new tabbed browser being developed for BBs

Looks good. Put that on a BB with a hardware keyboard and a touch screen for easy zooming and manipulation of web pages and I would be back in a second. I think RIM will deliver, but I have come to know that RIM moves with the speed of molasses when it comes to big changes on their hardware. Time will tell.

well luckily i think the browser should be resolved with a software issue (that one does look very promising, i like the landscape view, especially with a track ball)

As if the iPhone keyboard is so great either. I tried it, it sucks, no tactile feel, the keyboard is not lined up or accurate. So which one has the worst keyboard, the Ipown does.

no i played with an iphone. its the junk apple codes which makes their product inferior. i am tired of the apple fan boys who believe in the idiotic apple commercials,

here this is how good apple is..

apple distributes safari exactly like malware, oh look itunes update, the heck why is safari included now? its not an itunes update.

mac book air, safari or os x safari buffer overrun exploit while this has been out for a long time now apple still refuses to patch it.

Slashdot | MacBook Air First To Be Compromised In Hacking Contest

btw the hack applies to all os x safari not just air. its even funnier it was hacked within 2 minutes of going online.

Slashdot | Microsoft or Apple - Who Is the Faster Patcher?

and how the key commercials are set at the ignorant masses who believe apple is superior to a pc i laugh at,

i would rather take a ms product or win mobile device before an apple product, just for he sheer false advertising behind it.

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i mean the lines mac follows is so funny, microsoft has anti trust, while mac can practice the same crap ms got sued over and get away with it.. gimmie a break, mac is 10x worst then microsoft, the bottom line tho, they are so small in user base, nobody cares. and most mac users walk with blinders on.

p.s i have played with the iphone and if i was a girl it would be a device for me, its too femmine for me, and i'm not 16 and in hs that sporting media on a phone is cool with friends.. the feel from the phone is girlish.

Device looks to finally bring a lot of features we all want though as many of you are pointing out it is not earth shattering....I mean it is not like the iphone.

Question is when do we see it on the market and when does this become official...I mean is this really the device of just someones idea of photoshop fun? I keep hearing June...anyone know for sure?

Also where are people finding the specs?

I don't really call it hacking when the guy prepared his website with the exploit for I don't know how long and then just launched Safari and had to point to a specific server so the hack would be done... I don't see how that could harm a Mac while randomly browsing.

i mean the lines mac follows is so funny, microsoft has anti trust, while mac can practice the same crap ms got sued over and get away with it.. gimmie a break, mac is 10x worst then microsoft,

This statement along with your "IE is better then Safari", tells me you are a MS fan and no product or feature from Apple will ever suit you.

i am tired of the apple fan boys who believe in the idiotic apple commercials

p.s i have played with the iphone and if i was a girl it would be a device for me, its too femmine for me, and i'm not 16 and in hs that sporting media on a phone is cool with friends.. the feel from the phone is girlish.

I'll take those 2 comments as a shot at me, typical.

Argon I wouldnt take the girl comments as a personal shot. I felt the same way it does feel kind of femine to me as well. I thought that the first time I played with it.

To be fair, I have heard some say the very same thing about the 8100 series. I don't agree, personally.

Actually I agree there as well and I carry the pearl. It is a little dainty

Although the browser that many ppl are wanting is started by Apple & Nokia (First shown on the Nokia N71 almost 2yrs ago) - the project is called WebKit.

No matter what other companies are calling it (Apple = Safari, Nokia = Nokia Browser, us = mobile safari) its WebKit.

The WebKit Open Source Project

(Links in text removed: S60 Webkit development, KHTML, KDE, and Safari).

Interesting that that compass icon looks like Safari's icon, but most likely its for GPS.

PS - Locked into a 3yr contract for a normal phone (SE K850i; media browser icons look exactly like the leaked icons for 9000 ), and saw the Curve Titanium last night REALLY made me miss it!

the exploit is a bufferover run exploit it affects every safari browser out, its been like this for about over a year now, yet mac still dont patch it.

is what i am getting at.

i prefer open source actually, linux, etc, but bottom line is commercially you have 2, 1 is microsoft, the other is mac, ibm's os2 died. so this brings us to 2 commercial os vendors. i'm leaving the free os vendors out of this, linux dist etc.

out of the two i can purchase in a store, 1 is worst then the other(apple). yet its driving the blind masses with blinders on thats its better, which it is not.

i'm not gonna argue this any further since you seem to be the perfect mac customer. gl

as for part 2, take it how you like it.
you dont like my opinion of the iphone, what ever, its a phone i would get my girl not for my self. its a toy, and girlish. w/e take that as you want.

ok, lets get this back on topic and keep personal attacks/percieved attacks out of it. Fact of the matter is, this thread is about the 9000, not the iphone, not open source, not safari, the 9000. Stay on topic or risk deletion of posts.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!

Wow....I have been off the forums for a while but comparing the 8800 keyboard to the one on the iphone is amayzing to me. In my experience with the iphone I think the keyboard is the worst out there. Not that the 8800 has a great keyboard but I think it is much better then the virtual garbage Apple put on the iphone.

i like the 9k's sides hopefully they wont squeak nice phone one gripe i have is i really wish they would use the curve / 8700's type keyboard besides that, nice phone, odd its bigger then 8800 series

when is it coming out?? did they release anything formally to say when it will come out??

Wirelessly posted (8830)

Q2 or Q3 it is rummored. Nothing formal yet

I can type as fast on the virtual keyboard as I was able to on the cramped 8830 keyboard.

Does this mean that self repair of the "Pearl"/"TrackBall" is now out of the question, without fully opening up the devices' housing?!

You my friend, are truly a believer of the " Evil Empire " of Redmond, WA.

I think we have seen fanboys on both sides of the fence...

I am very disappointed with the keyboard as well. It's frustrating because they have all the features and all they had to do is put the curve keyboard. Why rim why?? Hopefully they will have another version with same features (3g/wifi/gps) and curve keyboard. Crosses finger.

I cant imagine that is going to happen. The 88xx keyboard is fine once you use it for a week. I think if there is going to be another model based on the same design, it will be sans a camera.

I used the 8830 for 8 mos and still never liked the keyboard. I think your wrong about the next model not having a camera, personally I think those days are over. I would bet the next model is a full on suretype consumer model.

wow look

They smarted up and blurred out the IMEI and PIN

but not the bottom barcode which is the barcode for the IMEI I think

hmmm

i think they jumped the gun to make the post before editing the info

it looks heavy, like really heavy. beautiful display though. and if everything is correct about this phone, it will be the blackberry of choice for me. i really don't care much for 3g (actually, don't care for paying the extra cost to use it)...i want it for the wifi, gps, camera, processor, memory, media, and all that blackberry is known for...communication/organization!!!

There are too many BIG RIM customers that do not allow phones with cameras. Maybe the cam can be rendered inoperable with an IT policy, but I can not imagine a company that is very security minded to believe someone who says the camera is disabled. RIM knows where its bread is buttered..... there will be newer models without cameras.

Sure RIM is trying to expand its base, and has done very well with more consumer/prosumer models (pearl and curve), but RIM has way to much to lose to abandon its core, the business customer that perhaps has hundreds or thousands of BBs and pays huge monthly fees for full BES access.

The consumer is more likely to have a less expensive BIS account, or now with Wifi enabled berries, more likely to try to pass on a dataplan. RIM's business model is built much more on the the monthly revenue stream and less on the actual cost of the device. This is why berries are much less expensive compared with some comparable Nokia models.

Maybe this patent will take care of that.

New Camera Patent Appears | RIMarkable

its possible and a nice read, but RIM, like most companies will patent things they never use, just in case they ever do decide to use it. As of now this is up in the air, but will be an interesting turn if they do.

yeah, plus, theres always that feeling of uncertainty and doubt. afterall, it is only technology and things can always be worked around. Also, some people will go through great risks to get what they want. For example, how can someone tell if the BB9xxx another person is carrying has a disabled camera or not? That person could've just snuck in a different BB9xxx.

considering RIM, berry's etc is corporate based, and i think we all know how well companies move to new technology, i wont hold my breath for anything. they stay with what works. and when your market or buyers are those, inducing a change is not so easy. while a conflict occurred between general consumers who and the corprate version in small moderations ingestion of changes devices grow.

anyway

and no rim wont ever make ever phone with a camera etc, even if they can make it that you can remove it from the phone physically, they will still make a phone w.o

Until I see a Word or Excel file opened on it, or an HTML e-mail, then I'm pretty un-impressed :(

For those of you who continue to complain about the keypad, there is a significant difference between the 9000 and 88XX models.

There is barriers between the rows of keys. They are aluminum and will prevent you from pressing the keys above or below the keys you are trying to push. And with it not being out, I don't know how so many don't like it. Try it, if you don't like it, then complain.

Don't buy it if you don't like it.

Also, quit talking about the iphone. This is blackberryforums.com.

And this is the area for 9000 series discussion.

So keep it to that. If you want to talk about Apple Products, go to your local artsie hangout, wear abstract clothes, focus on your emotions, and world peace and drink overpriced latte's.

According to today's Boy Genius Report the battery life of the 9000 is a disaster. 4 hours of phone use or less than 2 hours on WiFi. BGR speculates that this could be the reason for any delays.