pretty ballsy for a 4th post.

Its is a sad reality though now that any phone with even minimal PDA functionality is going to be compared to the iPhone. Its better to just get used to it.

But anyway, I like the 8800 keyboard and I have no complaints on the design for the 9000. Cant wait to try it.

the 9000, design-wise, is 10 times better than the 8800 and curve, the metal accents, and it looks like the fit and finish are superior too

How is the battery life? ;)

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Exactly!

Go Ballsy or Go Home.

I've been reading this forum for the past year and a half or so.

No need to make comments if I don't see fit.

Back to the bickering.

If YOU don't see fit? If Im not mistaken, this forum is home to ALL members. A discussion will have comparison arguments that will lead to disagreements, but all in the name of voicing an individual's opinion.

What a minute there. Don't get too hot under the collar. Reread his posts. He was refering to himself: as in he's read the forums for over a year and didn't feel fit to post unless HE felt he was needed to do so. Thats all - at least how I read it.

However, I somewhat agree with him to an extent. I too am getting sick of the iPhone being compared to every other phone; when really only the motion-sensor is innovative. The touch sensitivity is evolutionary, not revolutionary (I've given it a 2 day try from a friend whom imported it). Furthermore the ear-piece proximity sensor (should be a patent by Apple) is not new. A very OLD Ericsson phone (R520m) had this very same technology over 5yrs ago!

Back on topic!

Question, does anyone have the "UN-touched" photos - the original engadget posted - and full length video of all the 9000 menu's that was posted? I'm curious to see what the other icons were for.

Thank you to my Canadian Brethren for stepping up and clarifying my post.

I was saying that I don't make a comment if I don't see fit.

I bought a new pair of shoes yesterday.

Would anyone like me to post pictures of them so we can compare them side by side to the iphone? My coffee I'm drinking is more robust than the iphone and has a more subtle color tone. It gets me energized more than the iphone but doesn't have the communication abilities of the iphone. The web browser in my coffee is non functional at the time and doesn't support flash html like the iphone. I get approx 3 hours of talk time from my coffee and it only takes 2 minutes to make more opposed to hours of charging on the iphone. I hear God uses an iphone. The devil uses a blackberry. Steve Jobs sits at the right hand of God. I saw Steve walking on water.

Wait 2 more years and it's going to be a religion led by Steve-o Jobs-O. Services held every Sunday at your local genius store or whatever they call those places with the glass stairs. You'll be baptized in a pool of iphones by Steve. Instead of wearing a white gown you have to wear skinny jeans, a print t-shirt with a strange design, a wool sweater, and a multi-color scarf. Upon baptism, you receive a Bill Gates voodoo doll and an assorment of pins and needles.

I'm sorry, it's just starting to get a tad overbearing and borderline annoying. You can't fart now days without someone saying their iphone can make a better fart noise than you did.

Well, with that said, I would like to talk about the release of the Blackberry 9000 series. I would really love to see a T-Mobile release of this device at the same time as the ATT release. Bluetooth, Camera, Wi-Fi, GPS, Media Player, Expandable memory, 3G, Web Browsing, etc. I heard from a RIM employee today that there is a slot on the side that a small hammer slides into so when someone says their iphone is better you ask to see it, take out your hammer and smash it to smitherines.

I thought you didn't want anyone talking about the iphone here?

That was kind of the point. To make a point of how every post turns out.

Thank you for noticing.

As much as I don't want to... I have to agree.

Yeah, I'm sure your shoes are nice, but they don't have a soul like my iPhone does!

WOW. Very well articulated. I like this guy. Two thummbs up and a snap

It looks cool and all but in the video, it seems a bit "clicky" to me. I mean the keys and/or trackball seem to make a loud clicking sound. The Curve keys are already clicky enough and the trackball is really "gritty" compared to my old Pearl.

There's really nothing spectacular enough about it to make me switch from my Curve.

All I really wanted was flash player and a tiny little hole for a lanyard and I would have been first in line for this!!

Oh yeah, I do like that it's black!

i like it, i was affraight that they would make an ugly iphone clone....
why changing a winning product?
not risky, yet very clever!

Palm thought the very same thing. Look at them now.

It wasn't the product (physical) that caused Palms issues. It was lackluster management/lack "OF" management in advancing the OS since 4.2!! Screwing Sony over for innovations (soft-writing area/OS management features/etc) making them submitt innovative code to the PalmSource (another bad idea splitting up the business just to combine it again later), and then NOT going to Cobalt when it was ready and charging TOO much for it when it only had incremental features for manufacturers or providers. It was the aging software that put them where they are now. If it wasn't for Microsoft ... Palm what?!

RIM is progressive-conservative. This is just fine.

I REALLY Hope the 9000 comes out in May for Vodafone. My 8300's soul is dissipating :( I'm sad.

I have to disagree. Size and form factor ARE a major negative for Palm. Read any Palm forum and you will hear those *****ing about Palm's large and heavy form factor. The Palm OS is only part of the problem as many of their devices run on Win Mobile, which is up to date.

I dont know about you guys, i was under the impression that the 9xxx was supposed to be some sort of new, evolved, earth shattering generation of blackberry... i'm not overwhelmed to be honest.

I feel the same way.

Agreed, With a name lilke 9000, the device should probably be made of liquid metal and take the shape of any other phone. At the very least, it should have a touch screen.

was the video edited?

i didnt see a pin anywhere

nevermind i just noticed the edited pics lol

Am I the only one that noticed how thick it is? From the front it looks beautiful but from the side you can see the deep bulge it's hiding in the back. I was sold until I saw the side view, I'm sticking with my 8800.

its bigger then the 88xx series which saddens me, would be awesome if it was curve size

Does it have color LED's for the trackball? LOL

Like many others, I will reserve judgement until I can see one in person and play with it a little.

Having said that, based on what I have seen and read so far, I will probably hang on to my 8320.

Can the iphone copy and paste yet?

Can the iphone do push email with Gmail yet?

Until those two happen, I will always view the iPhone as inferior to Blackberry, and I only have the pearl.

I think it really depends on what you need your phone to do.

For me, it's make calls and give me my emails asap.

A friend of mine that I go back and forth with all the time about his stupid iphone, he set up gmail to forward his mail to yahoo which does "push" email with his phone. So he now gets his gmail pretty fast as well :(.. It is getting harder and harder to convince him that my BB owns his fanphone.

I feel like everyone else it seems, not many features to justify jumping to the 9000 yet. Hopefully they will reveal its magical secrets that will make it spectacular! :P

Still though the iPhone will only allow one app to run at a time and that means the phone wins every time. So if you make a call you cannot look at your calendar, email, tasks,oh wait they don't have a task app.

I multi task and the iPhone doesn't, nuff said.

You know ... most people don't care about the code. We care about the functionality of the device. All *I* see in Safari is a fast web browser that is worlds better than any other mobile browser, renders pages exactly like my desktop does, is very comfortable to use due to the way they handle touch, and it streamlined. THAT is all most people see, THAT is what most people care about, and THAT is all that matters. Only geeks and nerds will care about "junk code".

You have obviously never used an iPhone and thus makes every post you make about the subject an ignorant one. I own both my curve and my iPhone. I can make a call, press the home button, check my calendar, write notes, and even surf the web, send and receive email, and even download music through iTunes. ALL while talking on the phone. So I don't know what the hell your talking about.

ANYONE with an iPhone turn on wifi, make a call, and tell this guy you can do everything still while talking ... PLEASE?

Its like arguing with a brick wall. Some people simply hate the Apple and the iphone and you can state all the facts you want, they won't change their mind. I simply ignore them and their ignorance.

Thats unfortunate people are like that. I don't see brand names I see device and its capabilities. I love my blackberry because it does what it does well. And I love my iPhone because I can browse the web comfortably. With any other device, I feel cramped while surfing. The iPhone makes it very comfortable because of the way it works, and the touchscreen is worlds better than any device. If a wm device had the same browser it would still not be the same.

Think as you want, I have used the iphone and chose not to buy it. I felt then as I feel now, it is not a complete solution that cannot compete as it is today with any other smartphone in the core areas.

My comment about apps closing was slightly off, BUT, was based on Steve Job's comment. That when the phone rings the open app will close, they will not allow any background processes to be running and that means apps. Perhaps Steve should have been clearer or I missed something. Was he referring to 3rd party apps, was he referring to OS 2.0, I don't know and its not as relevant since he left me with the impression that what I would be doing at any given time was not important enough to have open when the phone rings.

As for being an Apple hater which is what you implied you are again incorrect. I have a great deal of Apple hardware and enjoy what Apple offers, the iPhone (again) as it is today is not for me.

So do not play the people are ignorant game with me I have used PDA's of all ranges and have equal high and low opinions of hardware, software and any combination of them. I have used Symbian, Palm OS, Apple OS, WindowsMobile and of course BB.

Everyone has an opinion just as you do.

Well, what is not an opinion is the point you stated that iPhone is not capable of multitasking. In fact, it uses a Unix kernel and supporting libraries, so it has multitasking capabilities that far surpass any other mobile phone operating system. Unix is a proven fast, stable, and multitasking platform. That is a fact, not an opinion.

The fact that Apple has chosen NOT to allow 3rd party programs to run as background jobs makes PERFECT sense. There IS a reason for it aside from Jobs being an ahole. I have been around PDAs of various types ever since my old Psion back in the day, and I can tell you all of the multitasking ones have the same common issue. I cannot count the number of times I have heard complaints the PDA crashes or runs out of memory, and you know what the common fix is? To reset the device freeing up the memory because of too many background tasks. Do you know how many times I have heard of constant device lockups and reboot loops due to previous software installations. The common fix for that is to un-install the software that is running in the background crashing the device. All of this due to the fact that programs run in the background, taking up memory, and some ill-behaved programs causing other problems. Add to the fact that background trojans are possible in those environments.

iPhone is a device sold and marketed to the mass public who is not necessarily into PDAs. I know TONS of people who hate PDAs because of the problems I mentioned. Removing the ability to multitask like that instantly makes the device more stable and less prone to issues that plague other mobile multitasking platforms. Lots of people love the iPhone because it .. just .. works. And it works without the problems associated with other PDA units. THIS is what will set iPhone apart from everything else once 3rd party apps come out. Does no multitasking make create a barrier preventing some programs? Sure. Does it provide an in-convenience? not as much as people make it out to be. Does it help the platform OVERALL by removing factors that cause major issues? Your damn right it does.

I thought 9000 and some 8000 series were getting os 5.0

it will, the whole 8000 series should get upgraded to 5.0 and most likely their final software update.

As for the iphone, its crap to me. I had it for about 20 days and just had to get rid of that toy. Its great for pointless stuff but when it comes to things i need it to do it didn't come even close to performing as well as my blackberry.

Anyway why did the iphone even get mentioned in this thread?