Exactly that is the issue and it is going to be interesting to see how they fix this massive problem. I'm hoping to see the Bold rather sooner than later.

I am beginning to think it is all mirrors and lights with nothing but a bunch of test version out there currently. I have never kept up with a release this close before, did the other models from BB have this much hipe and delays? I can't believe this is good for business since I know of several people that are considering going to the iPhone.

And after a few weeks with the iPhone, they will be back to BB...

That is very true. Not even a few weeks.

i got rid of my iPhone after 1 day..i hated it

Talked to my ATT business rep yesterday. Wanted to change from a 8820 to a curve. Really would like to have a camera so I didn't have to worry about forgetting my digital camera. She said wait until mid October for release of Bold.

At this rate (Rogers and AT&T) I will be well adjusted to my QWERTZ keyboard, before the North America release, if you know what I mean.

Yeah, at this point I'm thinking of having my cousin pick me up one from Germany =(

Try few days. About 25 people in my office that got their Iphones there is only one left.... most of them were back on BES in 2-3 days. All said the same thing, email functionality (exchange) and battery life is not even close to BB units (mostly sales users).

Sorry, but I do not believe for an instant that out of 25 people in your office that bought iPhones, 24 returned them.

Try again.

Wirelessly posted (BB 11020)

Why? I was on an airliner the other day and overheard two guys with iPhones saying how many problems they'd had and they were going to return them. YMMV

I can't wait to hear the fallout if HSBC goes iPhone! That will be a spectacular train wreck.
Comfy chair: check!
Popcorn: check!
Sh!teating grin: check!

Yeah, like what else is new about At&t. They are never F A S T.
We can all retire by the time they get done branding the BOLD to suit their At&t corporate/consumer style. (or walk to Canada and buy a Rogers)

EDIT: The 27th of October is close - and it has been very quiet - Mmmmmm is it time for BOLD??

H.

Whats so hard to believe about that. I don't know of any business user that hasnt switched back. iPhones are great for teenagers or housewives, but not the business user.

24 out of 25? Really? The absolute worst products on the market don't have that kind of return rate, and the iPhone certainly isn't one of the worst. Not even close.

It sounds to me like the usual BlackBerry home team iPhone bashing for its own sake.

Wirelessly posted (BB 11020)

If you look at the name of this website you'll see it is called blackberryforums.com.

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean in context to what we're discussing. I wasn't taking the position that there's something wrong with favoring a BlackBerry, which obviously I do considering I own one. I was taking the position that the gentleman's story sounded entirely implausible.

Oh wait -

Why is that "implausible" for you to comprehend? They used the device and discovered it's flaws for BES. For 25 hardcore email users, for 24 of them to return the iPhone in favor of what has worked well is not at all "implausible".

I'm only talking about Blackberry users here. We also have WM users and I know some of them also got Iphones. But since they don't have to come to me and ask me to put them back on BES, I don't know what the ratio is.

Also, I didn't say they returned their units back. Maybe they still play with them on the weekends, I know I do

I'm not here to bash the Iphone, I think it's a revolutionary device but it falls short as a business tool. I'm sure in the future Apple will add enhancements, and it will become friendlier device to business user (especially road warriors). For now it is what it is and that's the feedback I get from my users.

Now, I want my Bold...... That 8700 has way to many scratches on it....

Waiting for Bold is like quitting smoking. You creave a cig everyday and are denied the satisfaction of a nicoteen high.

I guess when the light is at the end of the tunnel and we get our Bold, it will be like smoking a single cigarette after you quit for a long time...

If they keep this up with the tease, they are going to have a lot of people wondering why all the tease since February at WES was about. It has been over 6 months of "We expect the release on such and such".
When you polish a piece of coal that long you have to have a diamond...

On second thought, I think I will walk to Canada and pick up one from Rodgers...

We just sent two managers to Japan and had to rent the 8707g's Triband. It would have been nice to send them with a phone that works without renting one...

FYI: The iPhone is a pain to setup in a corporate environment and the keyboard is lousy...

H.

I got parts...

I'm still torn between waiting on Bold or getting the iPhone.

Most important to me are battery life, phone functionality, and browser.

I am just not convinced on the Bold browser and trackball. Currently use a 8700c.

Should I wait?

The Bold does not have a trackwheel.

Choose according to your needs. There are numerous iPhone comparisons on the forum here. If web browsing is important to you--get the iPhone.

If email, dependability, security and peace of mind is of concern, keep your BB or get a Bold.

Sorry, I meant trackball instead of trackwheel. Freudian slip.

I have never used a trackball...can you adjust the sensitivity in the settings?

Can you "click" the trackball like you can the trackwheel?

I want a phone that has it all, good phone quality, good browsing, dependability. Does such a device exist?

It's called blackberrryforums, not closeminded peabrains!
I have used Blackberry's for years and don't have one single negative thing to say about them. As for all the stories about 24 out of 25 iphone users returning them, wake up and smell the coffee.
I have had a new 3g iphone for less than a week and am pleasantly surprised, in fact Very surprised how good it really is. I don't have any reason to lie one way or the other. I'm still waiting for the Bold to come out so I can compare them, but so far, the new iphone is better than any Blackberry I've ever used yet.
I can't wait for all the so called experts that haven't played with an iphone for more than an hour at a time, if that long, to tell me how delusional I am.

FYI...

iPhone keyboard is miserable...

That said, (and well said Thank-you) how many corporate users have time to surf the web anyway...??

Yes, you can get a great experience using the iPhone looking at the internet with the nice screen but honestly, I just don't have time. To me the iPhone is an expensive conversation piece. (imho)

H.

that's what I did... I love it but honestly, I liked the overall size of the iphone :P it was a good size. My curve is smaller. But the Bold will fix that

I have the iphone 3g as a second device. Its nice but not a Blackberry.
Iphone is great if you want lots of media at hand and great web surfing.
Blackberry still is my main device for total all in one smartphone.

If Bold not coming up soon, then make me no choice to go to Apple.. or Sony

then back to bb in 30 days love it

I have a first gen iPhone as my second device (I am just outside of 3G coverage where I live and work so 3G is moot for me) and my Curve as my daily driver.

For me it's not an apples to apples comparison. My Curve is my workhorse and my iPhone can sort of fetch my e-mail. But that's fine because on weekends I don't want to have my email. I want a break from work. So, I use the iPhone. I see no reason to have to choose one or the other since I am resourceful enough to make it work to have both. So, I do. And that's fine and dandy. Go me and stuff.

I hope I don't have to wait until November but I am technically eligible for an upgrade then so the closer to November the release date becomes the easier it is for me to get it at upgrade price.

There's always other toys to play with in the meantime.

But, my birthday is Sept. 8, so I wouldn't mind if it came out next month so it could be a birthday gift to myself.

TRY 3 DAYS!

set up exchange email and settings very easy.... email way too slow, however HTML reading was quite nice, battery life sucked, also missed BB Messenger

If I was going to have 2 devices, the 2nd would be an iPhone, but not as a daily driver.

It just occurred to me, RIM should combine the Thunder and the Bold, release it only on AT&T and call it the Blunder!

Ahhh, never mind they already made one of those!

rofl
Nice one.... (ack)

From our regional rep:

"It appears that other carriers around the world are starting to launch the Bold. AT&T views the Bold as one of the most important additions to our device portfolio this year and AT&T wants to start offering the device to customers as soon as possible. With that said, AT&T is not going to release the Bold until it passes AT&T Mobility’s very stringent certification process. The device is still in the AT&T labs and we feel it’s not ready today for our customers. There are many factors at play that can impact the launch but we are still on target to have the Bold available sometime between now and November.

AT&T has worked very hard to become the world leading provider of Blackberry service and we are not going to risk losing our leadership position with the large enterprise by releasing a device that is not enterprise ready.

I will follow up again as I receive any updates regarding AT&T’s launch date for the Bold. Thank you for your patience."

So "between now and November"

Sounds like they are struggling to get it out before Christmas!

Ho Ho Ho!

I am some how don't buy it, I am verey stogly think that the iphone is the reason.
but next month when best buy will start selling the iphone, they will have the time for the BB

I just spoke to AT&T and they gave me an "official" release date of September 12th.