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Old 10-03-2007, 11:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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damn i hope theres a slide out keyboard somewhere there....
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Wouldn't that ruffle some feathers if it really were a touch screen. I wouldn't count on that though, as the keyboard is one of the things that makes a BB a BB.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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damn i hope theres a slide out keyboard somewhere there....
That isn't a real picture of it. Just something "mocked' up by bgr, but I will assure you when he gets a pick he will post it.
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I am waiting for that 600MHz processor! And hopefully more onboard memory, too.
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Definately not a real pic, its just a pic of the curve with the screen and keyboard erased.

I am excited about the 9000 series but I am a little wary as well. I am a happy T-mobile customer and I have no intention of even considing AT&T. This makes me a little less excited about 3g. I am sure we will eventually see a 9xxx supporting T-Mobile's 3g freqencies but it is almost certain that the initial 9000 will support AT&T's 3g.
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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That's why I hope they have multi band hsdpa+wifi+gps. One can dream right?
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Definately not a real pic, its just a pic of the curve with the screen and keyboard erased.

I am excited about the 9000 series but I am a little wary as well. I am a happy T-mobile customer and I have no intention of even considing AT&T. This makes me a little less excited about 3g. I am sure we will eventually see a 9xxx supporting T-Mobile's 3g freqencies but it is almost certain that the initial 9000 will support AT&T's 3g.
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with that timeline. Sadly it is the same for most blackberries these days.

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That's why I hope they have multi band hsdpa+wifi+gps. One can dream right?
Thats a lot of bands...

GSM:
850, 900, 1800, 1900

3g
2x USA AT&T bands
2x USA T-Mo bands
2x International bands

BT
2400 I believe

WiFi
one more band, or more if it supports A or N

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GPS!

They need some consolidated chipsets or this thing will be huge!

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I agree with that timeline. Sadly it is the same for most blackberries these days.



Thats a lot of bands...

GSM:
850, 900, 1800, 1900

3g
2x USA AT&T bands
2x USA T-Mo bands
2x International bands

BT
2400 I believe

WiFi
one more band, or more if it supports A or N

+
GPS!

They need some consolidated chipsets or this thing will be huge!

lol yea. Can you please break down why 2X for each and which bands they are? thanks.
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
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damn i hope theres a slide out keyboard somewhere there....
I think RIM is probably going to add touchscreen capabilities eventually. As long as it's a big leap ahead like the iPhone, the touchscreen may be acceptable to certain audiences. I can really say that if I was forced to use a touchscreen, that user-interface techniques used on the iPhone is vastly better than the user-interface techniques used on Windows Mobile and Palm devices.

Not to worry -- just like SureType models are made available -- there will always be QWERTY hard-key BlackBerries too.

Depending on how brilliant the design is, my ideal BlackBerry might be an iPhone-like BlackBerry with a built-in hard thumb keyboard. But I'd like to be able to turn off the touch screen anytime -- i.e. it should be just useful for optionally assisting in panning/scrolling/zooming/hyperlink clicks (ala iPhone style), and not being foced to have to use a touchscreen for say, to compose, reply, send emails, etc. And be resistant to accidental-taps, so it doesn't go beserk when accidentally put into a pocket without keylock, for example.
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah, touchscreens can be nice but at least 3/4 of the time they are more annoying then anything.

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lol yea. Can you please break down why 2X for each and which bands they are? thanks.
One freqency band for uplink, one for downlink.

AT&T 850, 1900 (different from GSM band)
T-mobile 1700, 2100
World 2100 (different from t-mobile's)

I dont remember the exact freqencies used, suffice to say a true world 3g phone would have to cover a lot of different bands.
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Yeah, touchscreens can be nice but at least 3/4 of the time they are more annoying then anything.

One freqency band for uplink, one for downlink.

AT&T 850, 1900 (different from GSM band)
T-mobile 1700, 2100
World 2100 (different from t-mobile's)

I dont remember the exact freqencies used, suffice to say a true world 3g phone would have to cover a lot of different bands.
Actually the 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 have their own uplink and downlink assignments, so it's actually like 8 GSM bands instead of 4 GSM bands.

For example GSM 850 Mhz is actually two separate bands.

"GSM 850 Mhz" is actually:
Uplink 824.0 - 849.0 Mhz
Downlink 869.0 - 894.0 Mhz

The only reason the uplink/downlink is being mentioned for UMTS and not GSM, is that some UMTS bands (i.e. operating band IV) uses widely separated uplink and downlink channels (1700 Mhz uplink, 2100 Mhz downlink). We can't call it UMTS 1700 because of the 2100 Mhz downlink, and we can't call it UMTS 2100 because of the 1700 Mhz uplink.
(More precise numbers: UMTS-FDD operating band IV that T-Mobile uses, 1710-1755 uplink, 2110-2155 Mhz downlink)

However, GSM also uses uplink and downlink concepts, just that the uplink and downlink frequencies are "pretty much" adjacent to each other rather than far apart as in UMTS...

If you say 1700 Mhz UMTS is 2 bands, then 850/900/1800/1900 GSM is a total of 8 bands if you count uplink and downlink separately. Please compare apples to apples!


Also, T-Mobile does not use 1700 or 2100 for GSM -- they are using it for next-generation UMTS. They still use 1900 Mhz GSM too, but AT&T/Cingular is the one that has the 850 Mhz band in addition to 1900. Also, Cingular has their own 3G network, so that's additional bands. Also, some carriers may substitute their GSM bands with UMTS, as some available UMTS frequencies overlap the GSM frequencies. (I have no idea if Cingular is doing this, though)

In a nutshell, AT&T has 2 general GSM bands (4 bands if counting uplink/downlink), and T-Mobile has 1 general GSM frequencies (2 bands if counting uplink/downlink). However, this is made complicated by the fact that T-Mobile uses AT&T 850 Mhz network in California, because T-Mobile does not own spectrum in some areas. Now, add to the fact that T-Mobile and Cingular each has 1 general UMTS band (2 bands if counting uplink/downlink). And the fact the Cingular UMTS uses uplink/downlink very close to each other (close to 1900 Mhz) and T-Mobile UMTS uses uplink/downlink frequencies far apart from each other (1700 Mhz versus 2100 Mhz). Yada yada, so on... It gets complicated...

Source:
Wikipedia GSM Frequency Ranges
Wikipedia UMTS Frequency Ranges

What we need is more universal radios (software defined radios, etc) that can adapt to pretty much any uplink and downlink frequency and demodulate the world's radio data standards. We are 'gradually' getting there...
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For T-Mobile's AWS spectrum: 1700 is the downlink while 2100 is the uplink.

And you are right, all these freqencies are aproximations for the sake of convenience. The actual freqencies used are much less neat.
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If that thing really will have a touchscreen, we just might have something that could "kill" the iPhone.
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I hope it is real. My wife has been saying she wants an iPhone. If she likes the style, I would much rather buy her a Blackberry.
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THIS PICTURES OF THE 9XXX ARE THE MOST AWESOME!!!!

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I could see a slider design before a touch screen one. But before anyone gets out of hand lets say upfront that the pics in the link you posted are definately photoshoped.
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