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Old 12-18-2008, 04:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is there a way to TRULY wipe this thing?

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Wipe from the security menu wipes everything out but leaves the OS.

JavaLoader (or JL_CMDR) from what I can tell really does little more than the equivalent of removing the partition table on a Windows harddrive. How can it wipe the entire device in a split second?? It can't, that's how. So it's obviously not.

No one seems to be able to resolve the missing image errors some of us are getting (screenshots of log errors (missing images)) so I want to literally WIPE the device... NOTHING left, ZERO.

Went from 65 to 75 as soon as I got the thing and got these errors right away. No 3rd party apps, nothing. Wiped and re-installed 75, same errors. Used javaloader and reinstalled, same errors. Upgraded to 76, same errors.

Seems to me that every one of you are getting these errors but you're not catching them in the logs before they're overwritten.

How can I truly kill this thing and install CLEAN from SCRATCH?
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Old 12-18-2008, 06:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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uhm no... as i said, "jl cmdr" is nothing but a silly batch file that calls javaloader.exe. i use javaloader from the command line. it does "something", but certainly doesnt wipe the thing clean in .5 seconds. it simply isnt possible. which is also why people question why after using javaloader, the system comes back up with an hourglass from a custom them they had loaded. obviously that theme's hourglass should be gone if the device was "wiped." you obviously replied after reading the title to my post, but without actually reading the post

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uhm no... as i said, "jl cmdr" is nothing but a silly batch file that calls javaloader.exe. i use javaloader from the command line. it does "something", but certainly doesnt wipe the thing clean in .5 seconds. it simply isnt possible. which is also why people question why after using javaloader, the system comes back up with an hourglass from a custom them they had loaded. obviously that theme's hourglass should be gone if the device was "wiped." you obviously replied after reading the title to my post, but without actually reading the post
Listen buddy, I work with the BlackBerry platform every day. Most of that work is forensics. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. Regardless of mis-informed you are and what you think you know, JL_Cmder is your best and only bet.
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I just use alcohol and cotton to wipe my blackberry.
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I just use alcohol and cotton to wipe my blackberry.
Cool learn something new every day. I have been using beer and a dirty rag.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There is some info in here: http://na.blackberry.com/eng/deliver...20Overview.pdf

Here is a product that claims it secure wipes: EmergencyWipe for BlackBerry | MobileSoftMarket
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Listen buddy, I work with the BlackBerry platform every day. Most of that work is forensics. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. Regardless of mis-informed you are and what you think you know, JL_Cmder is your best and only bet.
Hmmm... bb platform forensics everyday huh? sounds pretty serious. and yet you still use a silly batch file meant for people that dont know how to run apps from the command line? sounds fishy to me. either way, i assure you that javaloader doesnt "wipe" the device. it simply makes it ready to receive an os, whether or not one is already there.
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Hmmm... bb platform forensics everyday huh? sounds pretty serious. and yet you still use a silly batch file meant for people that dont know how to run apps from the command line? sounds fishy to me. either way, i assure you that javaloader doesnt "wipe" the device. it simply makes it ready to receive an os, whether or not one is already there.
I didn't say we use this program. I said it's the best available to you for what you want.
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There is some info in here: http://na.blackberry.com/eng/deliver...20Overview.pdf

Here is a product that claims it secure wipes: EmergencyWipe for BlackBerry | MobileSoftMarket
thank you. even the bb manuals dont pretend that a wipe actually "wipes" the operating system. maybe ill throw it at a wall
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Cool learn something new every day. I have been using beer and a dirty rag.
I have just been using white out
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As far as I know the only way to TRULY wipe your device, is hooking it up using USB to a BES and "Nuke" it.
That erases ALL info on the handheld (including the OS). Then you will have to set up a Software Configuration on the Server containing the OS and load it again.
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As far as I know the only way to TRULY wipe your device, is hooking it up using USB to a BES and "Nuke" it.
That erases ALL info on the handheld (including the OS). Then you will have to set up a Software Configuration on the Server containing the OS and load it again.
actually no, wiping from the bes also leaves the OS. see here:

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/deliver...20Overview.pdf
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actually no, wiping from the bes also leaves the OS. see here:

I was talking about "nuking" - not wiping.
(On the Server @ports, choose "Nuke Handheld")
After you nuke a device it comes up with a "missing system" icon.
(And has no OS anymore)
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Never tried connecting via usb to the actual BES We need a "nuke" utility to run from a desktop.
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How about trying this..

javaloader -u resettofactory

Nothing will be left on the BB. No BES Policy. No password. Nothing.
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That system always guarantees a complete wipe of the device!
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Any depth of water for say 15 to 20 minutes, stir occasionally!
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How about trying this..

javaloader -u resettofactory

Nothing will be left on the BB. No BES Policy. No password. Nothing.
thats not true. try it. if you have a custom theme before you do it youll notice that the cursor from your old theme is still showing as the device is coming up. what "resettofactory" does is the equivalent of deleting the master boot record on a hard drive. the OS is still there, it just cant be booted to.
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