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Old 12-25-2008, 09:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3 days ago, I pulled my SIM card to fix the SIM Card Error problem (I don't travel internationally). Since then, I have not had a spontaneous reboot. Try it, see if it works, and list your results here. 73
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Ok, I did as you suggested a few moments ago.. So I will report back within a couple of days with the SIM card-out experience, Something strange I've notived.... is that I live in GA and bought my Storm in Georgia, and for some reason, my SIM card didnt have Verizon Wireless on it, but Vodaphone... which is a European distributor... Is this normal...or.. is something just a bit more than fishy here..?

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Yes that's normal, the two companies are one in the same and Verizon roams on Voda's network when in Europe.
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I'm still running around without the SIM card and have had no further spontaneous reboots. It has been 9 days. 73
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Thanks hudres, I'm going to give this a try. Hopefully it fixes the reboots for me.
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I have not had any issues with the reboots, however I was thinking about removing my SIM card anyway, it is virtually useless, since I don't travel out of the US anyway.
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I was wondering what the purpose of the sim card is. Back in the day when I was nextel it held all of my contacts and I used it to transfer my service from phone to phone. Do you know what the purpose is with the blackberry on verizon jsnt?
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I was wondering what the purpose of the sim card is. Back in the day when I was nextel it held all of my contacts and I used it to transfer my service from phone to phone. Do you know what the purpose is with the blackberry on verizon jsnt?
The SIM card is used for the GSM portion of the storm. You can find more information about SIM Cards Here:

Subscriber Identity Module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since the Storm 9530 is a world phone it has the ability to run on CDMA technology (Which the US version does not use SIM Cards) .. And GSM which is a more widely deployed global standard that does require SIM Cards.
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And that's why it is no longer in my phone. Thank you.
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The SIM card is used for the GSM portion of the storm. You can find more information about SIM Cards Here:

Subscriber Identity Module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since the Storm 9530 is a world phone it has the ability to run on CDMA technology (Which the US version does not use SIM Cards) .. And GSM which is a more widely deployed global standard that does require SIM Cards.
So the point of the sim card is to keep the cdma functionality of the phone when traveling overseas?

In any case, won't you will still be charged for roaming even if you provision the phone to use the verizon sim card?

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Hopefully, this will provide some clarity:

Verizon is a CDMA carrier in the U.S. They partner with Vodafone, which uses GSM technology throughout Europe. The main purpose of the GSM-based SIM card is so that the hybrid CDMA/GSM Storm can in fact roam on the Vodafone GSM network in Europe. (Roaming charges may still apply-best bet would be to contact Verizon before travelling to get roaming charge information).

Having said all of that, if you never travel overseas, and you use Verizon as your U.S.carrier ( as opposed to using an unlocked Storm on one of the GSM U.S.carriers such as ATT or T-Mobile), removing the SIM card shouldn't do any harm...and it looks like it may have resolved an issue for at least one poster here.
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Hopefully, this will provide some clarity:

Verizon is a CDMA carrier in the U.S. They partner with Vodafone, which uses GSM technology throughout Europe. The main purpose of the GSM-based SIM card is so that the hybrid CDMA/GSM Storm can in fact roam on the Vodafone GSM network in Europe. (Roaming charges may still apply-best bet would be to contact Verizon before travelling to get roaming charge information).

Having said all of that, if you never travel overseas, and you use Verizon as your U.S.carrier ( as opposed to using an unlocked Storm on one of the U.S.carriers such as ATT or T-Mobile), removing the SIM card shouldn't do any harm...and it looks like it may have resolved an issue for at least one poster here.
Excellent Clarification!
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I bought a SIM card from Nomi in the UK last week.

5 pence/minute to the USA is a heckuva lot less than USD 2 - USD 5.

Downside? No data. No roaming outside UK (I think they do this to prevent people from buying SIM cards and going to Africa to run scams w/ UK numbers).
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Thanks to ndub33 for the explanation for those who don't understand the function of the SIM card. I probably should have put that in originally, but I was more focused on the reboot problem.

It has been twelve days and I have had no further spontaneous reboots. I have had no loss of functionality of any part of the phone. It is clear to me at this point that removal of the SIM card has no impact on the phone if used in the US. Now, if I only understood what the relationship is . . . 73
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hudres, I must say thank you. Hopefully not prematurely. Not one reboot today. That sounds like success to me even if it reboots tomorrow... because I have experienced that one day without one.
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@rcpcornell: Glad to help. Actually I just got a replacement phone (yesterday) and after watching it reboot all day today, I finally took my own advice and pulled the SIM card. So far, no unintentional reboots. This phone also had a lot of difficulty coming back from a reboot (intentional or unintentional) and sometimes required two or three reboots to come back online. Pulling SIM seems to have fixed this. Keep us posted. 73
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The sim card removal didn't work for me. I don't know if this is will work for anyone else, but my reboots became less frequent when i changed the home screen from 8 icons to only 4. Try it. It's worth a shot. Good luck all. This device is becoming a full time job.
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haha rpvitale, not a full time job... just 30 minutes a day on this forum. It has worked for me at least. I just need for Verizon to release that long awaited upgrade. My main issue is when I turn the phone the time it takes for the screen to change with it. Supposed to be fixed in .85.
Two days now and not one reboot after SIM removal.
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haha rpvitale, not a full time job... just 30 minutes a day on this forum. It has worked for me at least. I just need for Verizon to release that long awaited upgrade. My main issue is when I turn the phone the time it takes for the screen to change with it. Supposed to be fixed in .85.
Two days now and not one reboot after SIM removal.
New phone now 2 days since SIM pull. No reboots.
BTW: I run .85 and it is very good. You should try it. You can always go back to .75 if you don't like it. There are several threads on how to go back to am older OS. 73

UPDATE (2/15): Almost 5 weeks since last post on this thread. Phone still working beautifully. No VSOD, no unintended reboots. 73

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How do you remove the card? Where is it and what's it look like? I've started to have sponteous re-boots.
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