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juwaack68 08-03-2011 06:20 AM

NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Just announced today. Full screen device with BlackBerry 7 OS. Details here:

BlackBerry - BlackBerry Torch 9850 & Torch 9860 - BlackBerry 9850 - BlackBerry 9860 - US

darkmanCANADA 08-03-2011 11:36 AM

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With the advent of these new phones will it be possible to buy an unbranded phone directly from RIM or will I have to get it directly from a carrier and go the unlock route?

b52junebug 08-03-2011 12:17 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
okay im sold on the 9850/60.. I can only dream it will help in the WHOLE decision making process of iPhone in the enterprise..

b52junebug 08-03-2011 01:00 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
are you freakin serious.. NOT Going to be available on VERIZON.. UGH

swervable 08-03-2011 02:52 PM

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I am very excited about these phones. I would like for them to head on over to my progressive Carrier Credo Mobile. They use sprints network and some of their phones. So hopefully they will get one of these too.

DallasFlier 08-03-2011 03:19 PM

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A "Torch" without a physical keyboard? Definitely disappointed in that!

swervable 08-03-2011 03:44 PM

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Honestly it's about time to give up the keyboard. it no longer has the superior feeling. It has the dated and old feeling now. Now don't get me wrong i like the BB keyboard but it's time has come to an end.
If you have tried out the PlayBook yet you will know that the touch keyboard is a very good one. From what I see with OS7 is that it is nearly the QNX OS. And that OS is rock solid.

*spelling error*

jsconyers 08-03-2011 03:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swervable (Post 1736213)
Honestly it's about time to give up the keyboard. it no longer has the superior feeling.

I disagree with this. While I moved away from BlackBerry (personal device, and still have a work BB) over a year ago to pick up the HTC EVO 4G (now have the EVO 3D), I am used to this virtual keyboard. However, my fiance recently got the Droid Pro and typing on that makes things so much easier and I would much rather type on her physical keyboard than my own. There is still a place for the physical keyboard in the mobile world.

fourstringfuror 08-03-2011 04:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DallasFlier (Post 1736207)
A "Torch" without a physical keyboard? Definitely disappointed in that!

Check out the 9810, in that case.

jimfraser 08-03-2011 05:54 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b52junebug (Post 1736189)
are you freakin serious.. NOT Going to be available on VERIZON.. UGH

The 9850 is CDMA based (9860 gsm) so I don't know why Verizon would not have it. The two biggest CDMA cariers (Bell and Telus) in Canada became gsm capable well over a year ago. Why make a CDMA device if Verizon was not going to pick it up? No major carrier in the world is clinging to CDMA other than Verizon.

smoothadmin 08-03-2011 07:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimfraser (Post 1736245)
The 9850 is CDMA based (9860 gsm) so I don't know why Verizon would not have it. The two biggest CDMA cariers (Bell and Telus) in Canada became gsm capable well over a year ago. Why make a CDMA device if Verizon was not going to pick it up? No major carrier in the world is clinging to CDMA other than Verizon.

You are forgetting another BIG carrier in Canada my friend. Rogers Wireless. They are the GSM network which isn't very good in and around Toronto; my Virgin Mobile device (which uses the Bell network) out performs Rogers' wireless devices. :)

I have done download tests over the 3G network and each time I let the Rogers guy get a head start; both a full bars; I still manage to beat him hands down.

A.

PJD642 08-03-2011 11:26 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b52junebug (Post 1736189)
are you freakin serious.. NOT Going to be available on VERIZON.. UGH

What are you basing this on? I'm hoping against hope for a 9850 for Verizon, since nobody will build me a CDMA 9810!

smoothadmin 08-04-2011 06:28 AM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juwaack68 (Post 1736096)
Just announced today. Full screen device with BlackBerry 7 OS. Details here:

BlackBerry - BlackBerry Torch 9850 & Torch 9860 - BlackBerry 9850 - BlackBerry 9860 - US

I am really looking forward to the 9860 device, the others don't do anything for me since I have had small screen blackberry's for many years now.

A.

DallasFlier 08-04-2011 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jsconyers (Post 1736217)
I disagree with this. While I moved away from BlackBerry (personal device, and still have a work BB) over a year ago to pick up the HTC EVO 4G (now have the EVO 3D), I am used to this virtual keyboard. However, my fiance recently got the Droid Pro and typing on that makes things so much easier and I would much rather type on her physical keyboard than my own. There is still a place for the physical keyboard in the mobile world.

Yes, I agree totally.
Quote:

Originally Posted by fourstringfuror (Post 1736221)
Check out the 9810, in that case.

That's all I'm left with, agreed. But the 9850/9860 screen /size/resolution are significantly better. Wish they'd do a slider keyboard version of that one, I think they'd have a real winner.

jimfraser 08-04-2011 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smoothadmin (Post 1736257)
You are forgetting another BIG carrier in Canada my friend. Rogers Wireless. They are the GSM network which isn't very good in and around Toronto; my Virgin Mobile device (which uses the Bell network) out performs Rogers' wireless devices. :)
A.

I was referring to CDMA carriers who unlike Verizon (so far) saw the future and overlayed their network with GSM a couple of years ago. Rogers is the biggest mobile network in Canada and saw the light many years ago and embraced GSM years ago.
Interestingly, Bell and Telus still pick up an occasional CDMA product, such as the Blackberry flip, so CDMA is not completely dead on their networks.

As far a network coverage goes, I agree with your observation regarding gsm/hspa penetration. I have been a Roger's mobile customer since it was called Cantel. I kept with them because of the visioniary leadership of Ted Rogers who embraced new technoligy as it evolved, saw the limitations of TDMA and went with gsm well before Bell and Telus. I am impressed, however, at how quickly and well Bell and Telus brought out their gsm/hspa networks.
I have no direct comparisons to make in Toronto, but in a comparison between Bell and Rogers a year ago in a hilly area about an hour and a half north of Toronto, I tested both the Bell turbostick and the Rogers rocketstick. The Bell turbostick was able in my test to grab on and hold a signal better than the Rogers' product. Also in the same area and in a wooded area on the shores of southern Lake Huron, my torch on the Rogers network often goes "sos" meaning that it has lost the Roger's signal and is latching on to the stronger Bell or Telus gsm signal.
I am also not impressed with, in my opinion, the greater promotion which Rogers makes for iPhone as compared to Blackberry. When the torch came out last September Bell stores had lots of promotional signs up for the torch and Rogers had nothing.
If I can last a couple of more years with Rogers when my contract runs out, I will look seriously at Bell and other gsm/hspa/lte cariers who have caught Rogers napping and built a better network.

Dubdub 08-04-2011 05:06 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmanCANADA (Post 1736172)
With the advent of these new phones will it be possible to buy an unbranded phone directly from RIM or will I have to get it directly from a carrier and go the unlock route?


RIM doesn't sell devices, the carriers do.

smoothadmin 08-05-2011 09:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimfraser (Post 1736349)
I was referring to CDMA carriers who unlike Verizon (so far) saw the future and overlayed their network with GSM a couple of years ago. Rogers is the biggest mobile network in Canada and saw the light many years ago and embraced GSM years ago.
Interestingly, Bell and Telus still pick up an occasional CDMA product, such as the Blackberry flip, so CDMA is not completely dead on their networks.

As far a network coverage goes, I agree with your observation regarding gsm/hspa penetration. I have been a Roger's mobile customer since it was called Cantel. I kept with them because of the visioniary leadership of Ted Rogers who embraced new technoligy as it evolved, saw the limitations of TDMA and went with gsm well before Bell and Telus. I am impressed, however, at how quickly and well Bell and Telus brought out their gsm/hspa networks.
I have no direct comparisons to make in Toronto, but in a comparison between Bell and Rogers a year ago in a hilly area about an hour and a half north of Toronto, I tested both the Bell turbostick and the Rogers rocketstick. The Bell turbostick was able in my test to grab on and hold a signal better than the Rogers' product. Also in the same area and in a wooded area on the shores of southern Lake Huron, my torch on the Rogers network often goes "sos" meaning that it has lost the Roger's signal and is latching on to the stronger Bell or Telus gsm signal.
I am also not impressed with, in my opinion, the greater promotion which Rogers makes for iPhone as compared to Blackberry. When the torch came out last September Bell stores had lots of promotional signs up for the torch and Rogers had nothing.
If I can last a couple of more years with Rogers when my contract runs out, I will look seriously at Bell and other gsm/hspa/lte cariers who have caught Rogers napping and built a better network.

i disagree with with you on Rogers having the largest network as there are many places to date where i can make phone calls on my VMobile phone that Rogers still cannot reach.

asteele 08-06-2011 10:06 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
I can not wait for the 9860! This is just what I have been waiting for - a Blackberry in a device that is similar in size to an iPhone.

The keyboard on the Torch 9800 that I have now is just a little too small, and I can not type anywhere nearly as quickly on this as I could on a Bold 9000.

The on-screen keyboard in the Torch 9800 is too small as well, and since I am used to using an iPhone as well, the on screen Torch 9800 is quite frustratring - even in landscape mode too for some reason.



September is going to be an a great month, I see myself getting a new iPhone and a new Blackberry too! :)

Medic48 08-07-2011 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smoothadmin (Post 1736568)
i disagree with with you on Rogers having the largest network as there are many places to date where i can make phone calls on my VMobile phone that Rogers still cannot reach.

As I am sure there a places you can make calls via Rogers/Fido which you may not to on Bell/Telus.

Personally, I have great coverage with Rogers and never experienced any serious dead zones, both in the GTA, SWO area, Northern Ontario and Federal District.

However, I don't make any claims of network superiority simply because YMMV!

--Phil

GrandMstrBud 08-15-2011 11:13 AM

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The 9850/9860 is very nice but the on screen keyboard is a bit small compared to other on screen keyboards like the iPhone and android devices. Also the battery life is not very good at all.

jimfraser 08-16-2011 02:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smoothadmin (Post 1736568)
i disagree with with you on Rogers having the largest network as there are many places to date where i can make phone calls on my VMobile phone that Rogers still cannot reach.

I guess smoothadimin did not read past the second line of my 21 line post in which I complain about Roger's poor gsm/hspa penetration as compared to Bell, notwithstanding Rogers started its gsm network many years before Bell.

djdonnyk 08-17-2011 01:57 PM

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I am looking forward to the 9850 for the lighting speed, memory, and screen resolution it will offer, I will get use to the virtual keyboard as it can't be that bad. I am not getting rid of my Style when I do upgrade, keeping for a back up.

juwaack68 08-17-2011 01:59 PM

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I just ordered the 9850 from Sprint to upgrade my work device. Will also keep the Style as a backup.....or if I don't like the 9850, I'll just upgrade again to the 9930 :razz:

djdonnyk 08-17-2011 02:00 PM

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@GrandMstrBud, have you used the this Torch to say it has a smaller vitual keyboard than some other devices? I didn't think it was out yet?

GrandMstrBud 08-17-2011 04:39 PM

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I am using one now and the virtual keyboard is nice but it's just a bit smaller than say the android or iPhone virtual keyboards. If you put it in landscape mode then it's not to bad. The battery life is no where near what people are used to with the Blackberries.

djdonnyk 08-17-2011 04:43 PM

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Thanks for the info, so the 1350 MAH battery doesn't last a day? Are you on CDMA technology?

juwaack68 08-17-2011 06:07 PM

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Grand Stevie, what device did you use before? GSM devices have always had longer lasting batteries than CDMA devices. My 9650 barely lasts to the end of the day if I use it a lot, and that's without talking on it.

GrandMstrBud 08-17-2011 09:21 PM

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I have the GSM version and I can't even get a day out of it. I had it off the charger at night and woke up to 65% just from being in standby. And yes that was from a full charge. BB OS 7 is still beta I believe so it could get better. I'll try tomorrow and see about what time it goes dead without charging it. I've been charging it just because I almost always have a charger wherever I'm at.

GrandMstrBud 08-18-2011 06:52 PM

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Today I got 9 hours of it. I probably spent 30 minutes of voice usage and very light email and messaging. I'm guessing maybe 15 minutes of messaging and email use.

DallasFlier 08-19-2011 01:26 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandMstrBud (Post 1738835)
The battery life is no where near what people are used to with the Blackberries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by juwaack68 (Post 1738867)
My 9650 barely lasts to the end of the day if I use it a lot, and that's without talking on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandMstrBud (Post 1738905)
I have the GSM version and I can't even get a day out of it. I had it off the charger at night and woke up to 65% just from being in standby. And yes that was from a full charge. BB OS 7 is still beta I believe so it could get better. I'll try tomorrow and see about what time it goes dead without charging it. I've been charging it just because I almost always have a charger wherever I'm at.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandMstrBud (Post 1739079)
Today I got 9 hours of it. I probably spent 30 minutes of voice usage and very light email and messaging. I'm guessing maybe 15 minutes of messaging and email use.

Does anyone else find this all to be rather humorous - or at least quite ironic? The original motivation for cell phones was to allow us to talk anywhere, and not be tethered to a location by wires. Now, the "latest and greatest" phones are getting to the point where we can't use them for even an entire day without tethering them back to power often during the day.

With each new BlackBerry model I've gotten over the years, the battery life has been less, but even with the Torch 9800 I almost always make it through a full day and put it on the charge cradle when I go to bed, so that still works.

Probably the biggest drawback (in my opinion) to the iPhone and all the new Android phones with their fast CPU's and huge, gorgeous screens has been the very poor battery life. Now RIM appears to have joined the crowd with the 9850/9860. I have a good friend I play golf with, who's company just "upgraded" his BlackBerry Bold to one of those beautiful-screen Android devices. We both use the same golf GPS app (GolfLogix.) If we use his phone, his fully-charged battery is about dead after 9 holes. If we use my 9800, my fully-charged battery is at about 60% after 18 holes. Guess which one we use? I know he sure doesn't consider this to be an "upgrade" for him.

It seems if the smartphones have with their dual-core Gigahertz CPU's and huge hi-res screens have gotten to the point where they won't even hold up through a normal day's usage without being repeatedly charged, that this whole craze has gone a bit too far. I guess I won't be considering the 9850/9860, and will be very interested to hear the reports on battery life for the new 9810.

(Yeah, I realize that apparently there are lots who disagree, and seem happy to turn their wireless phones back into wired phones for significant portions of the day, just so the thing doesn't die before the day's over.)

rambo47 08-19-2011 02:54 PM

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Yesterday my local Sprint store (non-corporate) out here in the wilds of northern New Jersey showed them as "backordered". Odd in that the 9930 was there in the store but the 9850 was still MIA.

djdonnyk 08-21-2011 01:11 PM

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My 9850 is on order, should see it at my doorstep Tuesday.
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Dubdub 08-21-2011 01:47 PM

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Consumers are driving the product. They want more capability, faster processors and richer features, but in a smaller package. Until someone comes out with a nuclear battery in a tiny configuration, you are going to see shorter and shorter battery life, IMHO.

Jagga 08-21-2011 09:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swervable (Post 1736213)
Honestly it's about time to give up the keyboard. it no longer has the superior feeling. It has the dated and old feeling now. Now don't get me wrong i like the BB keyboard but it's time has come to an end.
If you have tried out the PlayBook yet you will know that the touch keyboard is a very good one. From what I see with OS7 is that it is nearly the QNX OS. And that OS is rock solid.

*spelling error*

Says the guy that made the spelling error - I hope that wasn't on a Storm, Torch or PlayBooks' touchscreen. I would NOT state that the QNX is rock solid - I've already found a major issue that even RIM's level 3 could not resolve before placing an RMA = if you install firmware and there is a hardware issue with the WLAN/BT chip - you CANNOT pass the introduction screens beyond associating to a WLAN AP or HotSpot. You cannot even re-download the firmware of the PlayBook to further troubleshoot. This is a GLARING oversight in my opinion.

djdonnyk 08-22-2011 08:52 AM

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Waiting for the tracking number...........

DallasFlier 08-22-2011 10:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubdub (Post 1739611)
Consumers are driving the product. They want more capability, faster processors and richer features, but in a smaller package. Until someone comes out with a nuclear battery in a tiny configuration, you are going to see shorter and shorter battery life, IMHO.

Agreed - well, on everything except maybe the "smaller package" part. The screen resolution lately seems to be driving the package size back UP, although not enough to stuff in a battery to power it reasonably.

It just seems to me like at some point, the consumer would realize that their near-tablet smartphone that has to be plugged in half the day has lost much of its basic usefulness as a mobile phone. Maybe I'm wrong though - I just hope there will continue to be enough of a market out there for manufacturers to make some smartphones who's battery will realistically last a full day, to satisfy those of us who still want a mobile phone through the day!

Dubdub 08-22-2011 01:21 PM

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By "smaller package" I meant thinner and lighter.

DallasFlier 08-22-2011 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubdub (Post 1739864)
By "smaller package" I meant thinner and lighter.

No arguments then - not that I was really arguing anyway. Mostly just lamenting the fact that the market seems to be driving the manufacturers more and more towards "mini-tablets" with feature sets approaching that of a real tablet - vs. a more traditional smartphone, and requiring power way beyond the ability of a reasonable battery to supply without frequent charging throughout the day.

djdonnyk 08-23-2011 07:59 PM

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Finally active and practicing my typing now.....This screen is amazing and I'm loving it so far.
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juwaack68 08-23-2011 09:14 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Got mine activated for work today. Very nice device. After holding it, my iPhone 4 feels like a brick. Love the screen and scrolling is smooth. Some reports of accelerometer being slow, but I haven't noticed it.

My BB ID is messed up, though.... Have to resolve that tomorrow.

djdonnyk 08-23-2011 09:19 PM

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That's strange your BB identification is messed up, mine worked fine.
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djdonnyk 08-24-2011 03:28 PM

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Did you get the ID working today?

raynicolini 08-24-2011 03:35 PM

Re: NEW: BlackBerry® Torch™ 9850/9860
 
Ordered my 9860 from Rogers yesterday and should receive my Tuesday the latest. 3-5 days.
Can't wait to add it to my 9810 and 9900 collection

juwaack68 08-24-2011 03:51 PM

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Yes, but had to wipe the device and re-add it
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djdonnyk 08-24-2011 04:00 PM

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Good to hear you got it working, how you liking it so far?

juwaack68 08-24-2011 04:31 PM

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LOVE IT. In fact, my 19yr old son, who was planning to upgrade from an older android to the EVO 3D, now wants this device. Badly.
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