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grujaz10 06-16-2005 06:19 PM

Third source BES service...
I was referred to citynet as a third source BES network provider by a BB forum member. I am interested in subscribing as it is only $10 a month for unlimited html browsing, push e-mail, and other various included options. However, after contacting them, they told me that all I would need is a BB with:

-an active data plan
-a BES accessable BB
-and ther MDS service subscription

Since I am getting the 7250 from Alltel, the BB will come with BES access. My question is, is the data plan the actual phone service that I will be getting which activates the BB as a phone? Or is the data plan the extra service you purchase from Alltel (or other provider) in order to get "stuff" to your BB?

Sorry for the newbie question...

Brad00111 06-16-2005 09:31 PM

You need to purchase a data plan from Alltel as well as the BES service. Make sure you get a data plan with enough usage so that you dont go over. The BES may be unlimited but if your data plan isnt you will be paying for it!

geekman686 06-17-2005 12:12 AM

You need a blackberry data plan in addition to any voice plan you have.

Also, Alltel DOES NOT provide Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES) with their blackberries. They provide the Blackberry Web Client (BWC or sometimes referred to as BIS).

BWC is an online mail client that either pulls emails from your POP3/IMAP mail server every 15 minutes and then sends the emails to your Blackberry. You can also forward all of your emails to your BWC account for instant email push.
BWC is free, but limited to only 10meg of email space.

All Blackberries with BB OS 4.0 have built-in HTML web browsing without the need for the MDS feature of BES, so if you are looking for HTML web browsing and email features you don't need the extra expense of a third party BES hosting service.

I have a verizon BB 7250.
I have a voice plan for $40/month + bb unlimited plan for $45/month. I didn't see the need for another monthly bill for a third party BES hosting service.

grujaz10 06-17-2005 10:58 AM

Unfortunatly the $45/month fee for unlimited data access is too high for me. I was really hoping that all I would need is a voice plan and then the MDS service. And by the way, Alltel told me that the BBs come BES accesable, not to say your wrong.

Well, how about the $5 a month internet charge Alltel charges for internet access. Since the BB comes with HTML capability, does that mean that I would be able HTML browse with the simple internet plan they have. Will I also be able to recieve e-mil through that service.


geekman686 06-17-2005 07:35 PM

There is a difference between BES accessible and including BES service. All BBs are BES accessible, however the BES software is not free, actually it's very expensive and you need either Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Domino or Novell GroupWise Server.

Most corporations use BES software on top of their standard email servers, while some third party companies will provide BES service for an additional monthly fee, on top of whatever you are paying to your cellular carrier.

I don't know about Alltel, but I don't think Verizon will allow you to use the BBs without a BB data plan. But then again, it never hurts to ask. The worst they can do to you is tell you no.

Z3Px 06-26-2005 10:26 AM

I just got my blackberry 7250 through Alltel. Firstly, if you want one, you will probably have to talk to the regional business rep to get one. They will probably have to special order you one and have it delivered to the store or your house. They currently dont have tcp or BES services. You access the web through the wap browser that goes through the BB proxy server in canada. This works OK, but its dog slow. As far as i know and from what i was told by the rep you only have to pay the 5 dollar a month web fee, but i havnt goten my first bill while using my BB so dont quote me on that. I talked to an alltel tech and asked him on the status of providing tcp or bes services and he said that they are working on "work arounds". what ever that meens. Hopefully they should get some services out by the end of the summer.

MobileRC 06-26-2005 01:12 PM

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