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sturner 02-08-2008 08:30 AM

Verizon Data Plans
 
Interested in the BB 8703e. Local Verizon store has 2 data plans available - one for $35/month and one for $45/month. Has anyone compared the two plans and could you tell me what the differences are and if the more expensive one is really necessary? I'm looking for real world experiences. The Verizon salespeople are insisting that I need the $45/month plan to access my email at work but frankly I don't trust them. I don't understand why that is. Is one plan for BIS and the other BES? I need to be able to sync in real time my email, calendar, tasks and contacts. Basically everything from my Outlook Exchange 2007 server needs to sync with the BB. I'm not the IT guy and I'm not able to install a BES server on our system. No one else in the office is using a BB.

penguin3107 02-08-2008 08:38 AM

I need to be able to sync in real time my email, calendar, tasks and contacts. Basically everything from my Outlook Exchange 2007 server needs to sync with the BB.

You can't do what you want to do.
Without BES, you can't wirelessly sync your Contacts, Calendar, Tasks, Memos.

You may be able to use BIS to get your corporate email, but your company would need to provide public OWA or IMAP access to your mailbox.
Even so... OWA 2007 is not officially supported on BIS yet. Some have gotten it to work.

You should be able to sync your PIM data via USB cable and Desktop Manager, if your company permits its use on their computers in your office.

Dawg 02-08-2008 08:44 AM

as a vzw customer I can assure you need the 45.00 plan thats if you want BES if not go with the 29.99 plan its unlimited for BIS. Also if you do not want to buy a BB new look in the buy sell thread here and pick up one cheaper. If you are buying new go with the pearl or the 8830.

sturner 02-08-2008 08:47 AM

Thanks for the information. Do you know if the $45/month data plan is for BES? Does this software need to be installed on my company's server or is it handled by Verizon? It may be worth it for me to bite the bullet for the extra $10/month if that's all it would take but I'm still not sure that will do the trick either.

I may be forced to look again into the Palm Treo that seems to do what I want it to do right out of the box. I'd rather try the BB out but I'm concerned about having all of these unkowns.

sturner 02-08-2008 08:50 AM

Dawg, does the $45/month plan require any software installation on my office network or work station? It sounds like you have this data plan? Will it do what I need it to do in terms of full synchronization between BB and Exchange?

sturner 02-08-2008 08:51 AM

Dawg, one other question, why do you recommend the 8830 over the 8703e? I don't plan on using this thing out of the country.

Dawg 02-08-2008 08:54 AM

the 8703 is running to the end of its life cycle will be discontinued soon and wont have any more updates after the next one which is due out just any day now.

Dont get me wrong I loved my 8703 (for sale btw) I just like to have a new device that will still have updates done to it. There is nothing worse than surfing this site and seeing all the new stuff others can do and you cant.

penguin3107 02-08-2008 08:54 AM

The more expensive data plan if for BES.
Yes, it would require a BES server to be installed and configured in your company's Exchange environment.

There's no need for you to get this data plan if you never plan on attaching to a BES.

Dawg 02-08-2008 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sturner (Post 827164)
Dawg, does the $45/month plan require any software installation on my office network or work station? It sounds like you have this data plan? Will it do what I need it to do in terms of full synchronization between BB and Exchange?

Yes you would have to have a BES to do office sync. If your office wont let you on then just go with the 29.99 plan.

sturner 02-08-2008 09:04 AM

Thanks again. Unfortunately, the BIS plan isn't going to satisfy my needs in terms of syncing my tasks, calendar, contacts, etc. It might syn my email but that's not enough for me and based on Penguin's initial response I may not even be able to do that with BB's software. I'm back to the drawing board. I really don't want to go the Palm route but it seems to do what I need it to do.

Dawg 02-08-2008 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sturner (Post 827179)
Thanks again. Unfortunately, the BIS plan isn't going to satisfy my needs in terms of syncing my tasks, calendar, contacts, etc. It might syn my email but that's not enough for me and based on Penguin's initial response I may not even be able to do that with BB's software. I'm back to the drawing board. I really don't want to go the Palm route but it seems to do what I need it to do.

Sorry to here you say that. I hate to see anyone stoop to using anything palm related. You can sync your calendar and tasks and contacts with the desktop manager. You just cant do it wirelessly.

sturner 02-08-2008 09:33 AM

Believe me, I thought I found what I was looking for in the BB so I really don't want to go elsewhere either at this point. I'm just concerned that the BIS plan won't even provide me with my email from work in real time either. I tend to spend way too much time worrying about wether things will work or not. Maybe I should just try it and see what happens.

Dawg 02-08-2008 09:36 AM

Can you pop3 your email? if so then BIS will work just fine.

Thats what I would do you have a free trial give it a whirl I am sure you will be happy.

jseah 02-08-2008 11:21 AM

If you want to wirelessly sync your email, calendar, contacts, tasks, you need BES. This also means that on your exchange server, your IT department needs to license BES as well. Most larger companies already do this, however, if you are going to be the first BB, your company may not want to go through the expense of licensing BES and maintaining it.

Redflea 02-08-2008 01:18 PM

Give it a try...the delay in getting email via IMAP from my work is up to 15 minutes...unless you have some incredibly time-critical issues to deal w/over email (like you're directing someone in open-heart surgery) you should be fine. The email will actually come in very short bursts - if you are getting a number of emails within 2 minute windows you'll get it almost immediately until you don't get any in a 2 minute window again.

As for tasks, calendar, and notes, etc., you are SOL on BIS...if that is a deal-breaker, then other than 3rd party options for wireless sync (which will take some effort on your part to research and set up, and they have their limitations and issues) you are stuck.

One to consider is that a company called BBerrySYnc is working on OTA sync of Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, and Notes (see the thread in the Aftermarket Software forum on OTA Sync for BIS users). It should be released in the next few months, and (I am a beta tester) looks very promising as an option for BIS users.

Dawg 02-08-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redflea (Post 827465)
Give it a try...the delay in getting email via IMAP from my work is up to 15 minutes...unless you have some incredibly time-critical issues to deal w/over email (like you're directing someone in open-heart surgery) you should be fine. The email will actually come in very short bursts - if you are getting a number of emails within 2 minute windows you'll get it almost immediately until you don't get any in a 2 minute window again.

As for tasks, calendar, and notes, etc., you are SOL on BIS...if that is a deal-breaker, then other than 3rd party options for wireless sync (which will take some effort on your part to research and set up, and they have their limitations and issues) you are stuck.

One to consider is that a company called BBerrySYnc is working on OTA sync of Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, and Notes (see the thread in the Aftermarket Software forum on OTA Sync for BIS users). It should be released in the next few months, and (I am a beta tester) looks very promising as an option for BIS users.

also on another not BB unite will be out sometime soon and that will let you do the sync like you need.

sturner 02-08-2008 01:32 PM

Thank you all very much for the information. This is exactly the responses I was looking for by people who know what they're talking about. I think you finally straightened me out on the differences between BIS and BES. I know BES is out for me so BIS is my only option so I'm leaning towards this and staying away from Palm or Windows OS based units. From what I've been reading the BB os seems to be more stable. As long as I can sync my contacts, calendar, task list, etc via the USB cable I should be ok. I can live with my email being delivered on a slight delay.

Now I'm debating whether to go 8830 or stick with my original plan which was the 8703e.

Dawg 02-08-2008 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sturner (Post 827482)
Thank you all very much for the information. This is exactly the responses I was looking for by people who know what they're talking about. I think you finally straightened me out on the differences between BIS and BES. I know BES is out for me so BIS is my only option so I'm leaning towards this and staying away from Palm or Windows OS based units. From what I've been reading the BB os seems to be more stable. As long as I can sync my contacts, calendar, task list, etc via the USB cable I should be ok. I can live with my email being delivered on a slight delay.

Now I'm debating whether to go 8830 or stick with my original plan which was the 8703e.

If you want an 8703 buy one used. You can pick them up real cheap. If going new go with the 8830 or the pearl

sturner 02-08-2008 01:47 PM

I tried the Pearl in the store and found it very hard to use. The keys are way too close together and couldn't figure out how to draft a sentence with that keyboard. It kept trying to find words for me that were never right. I definitely need a qwerty keyboard. I liked the 8830 except for the fact that it had some stuff I know I'll never use.

Sith_Apprentice 02-08-2008 01:49 PM

you were trying to hard, dont look at the screen when typing. the keys on the pearl are actually larger than the 88xx series devices. suretype has a 35k word dictionary and it learns what you type. there are many on there than type much faster on suretype than they do on a full qwerty.


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