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phil81uk 02-10-2008 11:14 AM

Confused - does Google Maps data fall under "Blackberry data"
 
Hello,

My tarriff includes unlimited "BlackBerry" data. Does that include the data downloaded by Google Maps?

So what is "non Blackberry data"? I notice that some third party apps require me to add TCP settings. Would these apps be using non-Blackberry data?

What if I use my BlackBerry as a Laptop modem?

juwaack68 02-10-2008 11:29 AM

Yes, Google Maps uses data.

Apps that require TCP settings also use data - that's just a setting required by your carrier to connect to that application.

Tethering (using the BB as a modem) also uses data.

phil81uk 02-10-2008 11:53 AM

My question is whether these all fall under the "BlackBerry Data". I see that O2 have three data charges: Blackberry Data, WAP, and Mobile Web. They specifically say that Web Browsing and Email falls under BlackBerry Data. And they specifically say that tethering does not. That leaves a gap in the middle. Where to Google Apps and third party applications fall?

Sith_Apprentice 02-10-2008 11:54 AM

i would think if you have to use APN settings it will fall under WAP data. If you dont it would be under blackberry data

juwaack68 02-10-2008 11:56 AM

If you have a Blackberry Data Plan (and you should), then email, web browsing, Google Maps, and all other 3rd party aps fall under that data plan.

Someone else will have to confirm if O2 charges differently for tethering.....my carrier does not charge it different. It's all data.

aiharkness 02-10-2008 11:56 AM

Wirelessly posted (8700g: BlackBerry8700/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

EDIT: Looks like questions are being answered.

But what about the 'non-blackberry data' part of the question? I don't know, but I've always assumed the 'blackberry data' is that which goes through RIM's servers. Data which goes through the carrier's gateway (that is, the apn) is 'non-blackberry data.'. Is that a accurate understanding?

Sith_Apprentice 02-10-2008 11:57 AM

try to use google maps without the APN. if it works, then its going through your blackberry data section ( i would think).

juwaack68 02-10-2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aiharkness (Post 829569)
Wirelessly posted (8700g: BlackBerry8700/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

But what about the 'non-blackberry data' part of the question? I don't know, but I've always assumed the 'blackberry data' is that which goes through RIM's servers. Data which goes through the carrier's gateway (that is, the apn) is 'non-blackberry data.'. Is that a accurate understanding?

Well.....hmmm...that is a good question. I have never, ever, needed to enter any APN settings.

I'll defer the correct answer to those who know better than I.

phil81uk 02-10-2008 12:05 PM

I noticed that when I browse the web then my IP address belongs to RIM. So it does seem like there is a difference between BlackBerry data and non.

And we suspect that if an application requires APN then it is non Blackberry data. But no one knows for sure!

I have unlimited Blackberry Roaming Data, but this excludes any other data. Still weeks to go before I potentially get a 200 bill as I've been abroad for ages.

aiharkness 02-10-2008 12:07 PM

Wirelessly posted (8700g: BlackBerry8700/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

Yeah. I always wonder when I see the questions that mention different billing for different data. I'm spoiled by data is data and it's all unlimited in my case, but I'm curious.

phil81uk 02-10-2008 12:35 PM

Finally got my TCP/APN settings working. I fooled my third-party application into opening a test page which I configured to capture the IP address. Here's what I've found:

* Apps which don't require APN use a RIM IP address, suggesting that the data goes via BlackBerry.
* Apps which require APN use an O2 (my provider) IP address.

I will telephone O2 and find out whether this is included. Though, judging from other comments in this forum, they probably wont know what I'm talking about.

PaulMdx 02-10-2008 04:57 PM

Google Maps is BB data on my consumer O2 contract. I don't even have my TCP settings configured so I prevent non-BB data apps using WAP and sending my bill through the roof.

If you're able to check your bill online use Google Maps for a day and check. Each day I have data entries for "Blackberry.net" which are charged at 0.00p.

tsac 02-10-2008 06:45 PM

Thats the confusion with BB plans. All are different. It would be nice to be able to have one defined plan across all carriers and then the only difference would be quality of service and support.

Ok so i'm thinking non reality but it would be nice.


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