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Old 07-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am in a branch of the military and I was recently scolded; rather administratively reprimanded for having my beloved Treo650 GSM on premises. The combo of the SD card slot and the camera makes them nervous. I have known about the camera rule since perhaps late 2002, but I thought I would be slick with my holster that shields it completely. Let's just say that didn't work out.
And so, I turn to:

I need a Blackberry device (and robust software solution) to replace the following must have tech components/devices I use every day:
  • Treo 650 -- PDA, phone with removable battery (very important)
  • VeriChat for PalmOS - I use this, oh - 30-45 mins a day.
  • Chatter Email - A PalmOS application that supports attachments and attempts to emulate the BB "push" functionality - albeit not very well
  • QuickNews - A PalmOS App that delivers all my RSS feeds.
  • Today - there is an app called Today on the Palm - that acts like a PocketPC start screen - I have seen this on BB before.
  • Some sort of secure password depository/crypto Memo app of some kind, at least a basic text editor that is password protected that would suffice.



Phone functionality would be outstanding, but it is not mandatory for this question - I still have many legacy GSM phones, and when I go for this BB solution I will likely just open a new line on Cingular, and get another SIM specifically for the Blackberry. The more I research it, whether here or with help from a Engadget editor, I like it more and more. The PalmOS devices (read: Treo) are not only crash-happy and unstable, but with the inclusion of the camera detrimental to internal OpSec.

So, help me out, if you can. Remember: A BB solution that can replace a Treo 650 on Cingular, with a robust IM client, reliable email, RSS reader/feeds and a Today screen.

Thanks in advance.

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- racarusotheoreo

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Old 07-18-2005, 10:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If you want to stay with Cingular, you have two choices: The 7290 and the 7100g. The 7290 is a "classic" BlackBerry format, which the 7100g is the newer, phones based BlackBerry. All BlackBerrys support the same third party applications (which are miniscule compared to the number available for the Treo). You are trading security and stability for additional programs and hacks.

The decision depends on a number of factors: 1) Which form factor do you prefer, and 2) do you intend on being e-mail/data centric (7290) or voice centric (7100g).

A technical comparison of the devices is available at http://www.blackberry.com/compare/in...f152636f6d54TR

Since I am e-mail/data centric, I use the 7290 (on T-Mobile).

Hope that helps.
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If someone could go into more detail on the 7290, that sounds like the ticket. I shall Google it in the meantime.

This will be more data/IM centric as I want it to be on 24/7/365 no matter where in the US (including underground - I hope that is not a problem), and I have my trusty Moto v3, Nokia 1100, or SE T616 for phone duties.

Thanks for the quick response, NJBlackBerry. That was less than 10 minutes! I appreciate the attention to detail - thanks a lot.
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If your existing Cingular GSM equipment works underground, the BB should also. Cingular's GPRS data network rides on top of their GSM network.

What sort of additional information would you like on the 7290? Here are the pertinent details:

- No camera or SD.
- No MP3 player
- Limited ringtone support
- Bluetooth limited to wireless headset and some new keyboards - no data "beaming" as of now.
- 32 MB memory (the most of any BB - but you can't load MP3s, etc. to take up the memory) - dual level backlighting (excellent both indoors, outdoors and in low light)
- I use "PocketDay" as a Today screen. Very good.
- A few good games (see Magmic)
- I haven't done much with RSS, but I think there may be a few feeds out there
- Quad band GSM/GPRS

Frankly, the 7290 is the best BB I've had - at least that is my opinion.
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I agree with NJBlackberry, the 7290 is the best PDA I have had. Just addign a little more information and further responses to your questions.
The 7290 has a qwerty keyboard like the Treo 7290. The 7100 has a sure type software solution laid over a more standard phone keyboard.
The battery is removable.
There are several IM applications for BB.
You won't need to emulate the BB, you will be on the push e-mail BB.
There are several RSS feeders if you search.
The secure password protector built inot the 4.0 software in BB is not very good. Again search for the alternatives. Two that I am trying are MiniSafe and CryptMagic. Both have desktop companion software for data entry and back up.

You will love the BB.
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Thanks for all the quick (and meaningful!) responses, folks. Thank you very much,

As for the choice, it's 7290, all the way. Oh, I Googled that "PocketDay" app for BB - perfection. That is not only slick, but useful as well! \

This is outstanding, and seemingly less painful that I envisioned it. And that is a good thing.

Thanks again.

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And if all of your contacts/notes/calendar/task items are already in Outlook, the sync will be instantaneous using the included Desktop Manager / Intellisync software.
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Thanks for all the quick (and meaningful!) responses, folks. Thank you very much,

As for the choice, it's 7290, all the way. Oh, I Googled that "PocketDay" app for BB - perfection. That is not only slick, but useful as well! We cannot check any personal/outside sites beside the USN/USMC Mil Intranet, so this a godsend. They busted someone the other day for removing the filters and surfing eBay. So, now I won't even bother I'll have the Weather channel, my personal email, my .Mil address, and my IM traffic and RSS feeds pushed to me!

This is outstanding, and seemingly less painful that I envisioned it. And that is a good thing.

Thanks again.

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Just so we're clear - you are using this device to circumvent the prohibition on accessing outside sources of data on your workstation?

But still want to get your .mil email delivered to the BlackBerry via Desktop Redirector?

I want to make sure all parties involved in this conversation understand what is going to happen here.
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Well once locked if the password is entered 10 times incorrectly the device "self destructs" so to speak and will become useless as an e-mail device until resynced. If you have a BES, they should be forcing a password policy to the phones.

I think that is why the BB is so popular in the US government.

There is a password keeper program which is made available with the latest 4.0 operating system for the phone.
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Just so we're clear - you are using this device to circumvent the prohibition on accessing outside sources of data on your workstation?

But still want to get your .mil email delivered to the BlackBerry via Desktop Redirector?

I want to make sure all parties involved in this conversation understand what is going to happen here.
This was an angry rant, disclosing WAYY too much information.

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To everyone else, thanks again for the tips.

I shall be purchasing (2) BB-7290's within the next month or so, and shall report back with my initial assessment. And then I shall retire my 650 (cue salute).

Thanks again.
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Well once locked if the password is entered 10 times incorrectly the device "self destructs" so to speak and will become useless as an e-mail device until resynced. If you have a BES, they should be forcing a password policy to the phones.

I think that is why the BB is so popular in the US government.

There is a password keeper program which is made available with the latest 4.0 operating system for the phone.
Exactly. That's the only reason they are letting me purchase the device externally.

They know that I would rather not have the limitations of BES where it has a policy file that blocks certain functions, and decided, hey, Caruso wants to cough up the cash, let him. So I did.

This is not going to be used to handle ANY classified or ATS material - PERIOD. That was never the nature of the question. I can use anything except iPods. :(

The BB's they issue (unsure on the model) are all BES, and have two layers of password identification. They are black cases - possibly Verizon. Around here, you don't just stare at people's crap.

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Verizon; nope. T-Mobile/Cingular (7290) works great. I was just in Europe and they have GREAT GPRS service there.
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Now thats funny!
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This is not "24". I am not Jack, and Chloe is not going to send me highly compartmentalized information via .mil. That is you and your ridiculous thinking. That's not only a lapse in security - but among my circle here, that's cause to get laughed at.
It's a IMAP server, man. [The .mil server in MD] Does that scream "US Gov secured and approved by the NSA" to you? I think not. The NSA is still demanding I turn over my iPaq and my Treo650 to them for "inspection" - meaning checking the read /writes on the SD card.

BTW, the safest computer is a computer that isn't connected to outside networks at all - 'nuff said. Most aren't and are strictly Intranet among the interior of our workspaces. And we don't use Wifi - I have yet to see an outfit that does. It's all CAT5. 10/1000 cards.
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Well once locked if the password is entered 10 times incorrectly the device "self destructs" so to speak and will become useless as an e-mail device until resynced. If you have a BES, they should be forcing a password policy to the phones.

I think that is why the BB is so popular in the US government.
http://www.blackberry.com/news/press..._08_2002.shtml
Explains how (back in '02) NSA secured specialized portions of the UI and customized it for DoD.
That was when I first heard of it, but I was still in DEP and not gone to boot, never mind recieved posting. Plus, I was making sweet love with my Treo 270 GSM

But you guys definitely turned me.

From the article:


BlackBerry Meets Department Of Defense's Advanced Wireless Security Standard

RIM Works With National Security Agency To Provide Support For The S/MIME Email Security Standard And To Meet The Department of Defense's Increased Security Requirements

Waterloo, ON - Research In Motion Limited (RIM) (Nasdaq: RIMM; TSX: RIM) today announced that it is working with the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) to meet the Department of Defense's increased security standards with support for S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) on the BlackBerry™ platform. S/MIME is an important email security standard designed to meet stringent security requirements of organizations. RIM is providing a customized version of BlackBerry software with S/MIME support that will be used by the NSA. The NSA will deploy this standard on BlackBerry Wireless Handhelds™ used by various government organizations including the Department of Defense. RIM will receive incremental licensing revenue on a per user basis.

"The BlackBerry wireless solution is popular among organizations today because it provides back-end integration and meets the strict security requirements of IT departments," said Don Morrison, Chief Operating Officer at Research In Motion. "The BlackBerry platform already supports end-to-end Triple DES encryption for corporate customers and has been awarded the FIPS 140-1 security validation for government customers. With today's announcement, RIM will now be able to meet the Department of Defense requirement for S/MIME and PKI support."

S/MIME is an email-system independent, Internet standards based protocol that utilizes public key cryptography to provide writer-to-reader security, including confidentiality, message integrity and sender authentication. This technology extends the security of existing mail systems with writer-to-reader encryption and allows for secure communications between individuals in different organizations running similar or different email systems.

The NSA is a U.S. Government technology organization focused on advanced cryptologic activities. The NSA collects, processes and disseminates foreign intelligence information while protecting and supporting U.S. communications. BlackBerry support for S/MIME is the first initiative that RIM and the NSA have undertaken together. RIM and the NSA plan to continue working together to address the unique requirements of security conscious organizations such as the Department of Defense.

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They are black cases - possibly Verizon.
Possibly Nextel...i saw VA in your location. I know for a fact that over 6000 in VA/DC were sold last year alone for military use from Nextel....No this isnt JAG and Im not Harmon Rabb....just a thought.
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Possibly Nextel... I know for a fact that over 6000 in VA/DC were sold last year alone for military use from Nextel....
God, I hate Nextel. You have all the wannabe DIA types "chirping their way" through the day - you know, the hip hop types.

Ugh, I hate Nextel; unfortuantely, like you mentioned they have a sizable contract. Did you know every DoD recruiter, even USCG (Coast Guard) gets an all expenses paid Nextel plan with 400 minutes and the free incoming calls?

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God, I hate Nextel. You have all the wannabe DIA types "chirping their way" through the day - you know, the hip hop types.

Ugh, I hate Nextel; unfortuantely, like you mentioned they have a sizable contract. Did you know every DoD recruiter, even USCG (Coast Guard) gets an all expenses paid Nextel plan with 400 minutes and the free incoming calls?

you mean those hip hop types that spend $70+ on average per user? Pretty dumb reason to hate a carrier, wouldnt you say?
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