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Old 08-14-2005, 11:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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like the title says. i dont have a BES. is it pointless to have a BB w/o it? is it reduced to just a wireless accessable PDA? How good is the redirector and how long does it take for an email to be received by my device if im using the redirector? ive been told that the redirector doesnt sync calander/address book entries. is there a way to do that besides usb cable? thanks for the help.
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Old 08-14-2005, 11:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Please (please) read the sticky threads at the top of the forum, particularly on the different ways to get your e-mail. Redirector should be your last choice (after BES, which you don't have, BWC - the BlackBerry Web Client, and forwarding directly to the BB).

Without BES 4.0 (not just BES - the latest version), you can only sync with the USB cable. With BES < 4.0, calendar is wireless, but the others items (contacts, notes and tasks) are synced via Intellisync.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well I can honestly say I do not feel stupid without a BES. Most of my email accounts are forwarded to my bb, reasoning for that is whatever address it was forwarded as the response will come from that address. When using the BWC your respnse will come from your bb email address i.e. @nextel.blackberry.net. And I do not recommend redirector since your computer basically has to be one all day and night if need be, I guess there are some people who use redirector and as for how fast it is I have no idea. I do know that the fastes way to get an email is forwarding it to yourself, BWC is alright but not as fast.

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Old 08-15-2005, 08:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Not at all! If you want wireless sync you'll need BES 4.0. However, email via BIS works rather well if you forward from your server to your carrier.blackberry.net BIS email address.
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I forward all my accounts except work and it goes through BWC I get my mail virtually instantanious so nope dont feel stupid at all. I have no need to wirelessly sync my contacts and calendar
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Old 08-15-2005, 09:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7230/4.0.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

The Blackberry device is what I am most happy with. First of all, all my contacts (AOL, Hotmail,etc.) Have been synced to my Outlook deskto and are grouped on my Blackberry. So, if I hit address book and my wife, the dropdown box gives me the option to call her from multiple numbers, text her from multiple numbers or e-mail her from multiple addresses. That's my number one function.
With BIS, I get my e-mails from AOL in a timely fashion and I can send responses equally as quickly. For those without unlimited text messaging, e-mailing acts almost as quickly in my experience. With filtering, I removed 90-95% of junk mail as well.
I mobile blog with my Blackberry everyday. I shoot e-mails to folks laying in my hotel bed at 3am with nothing on cable. I e-mail ideas to myself (an excellent function for reminding oneself).
Finally, the live links are extremely helpful. Phone numbers in notes and e-mail are one touch return as well as saving them.
My auto text is ridiculous. Things I type regularly are now auto-text so four or five letters are a three line address. I fly through stuff with this.
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I disagree somewhat with the other opinions in this thread although I wouldn't say it is a stupid decision; personally I just think there are better devices for non-BES email. The BB is certainly a well built sturdy device with good battery life. Where it shines is in security, central administration and BES access to exchange mail.

For pop/imap, the BB is merely like a two way pager. The BWC (or is it BIS now), will poll your email servers at least every 15 minutes and will copy messages to the BWC where it gets pushed to your device. If you respond to a message or delete a message, it is still there on your pop/imap server marked unread. You'll need to again deal with those messages in OL when your at the office/home. Unforturnatley there isn't a means to copy the BWC mail into OL so you'll need to bcc a copy of BB sent messages to yourself.

Compare that to the Treo/PocketPC logging in directly to your email server automatically downloading messages and/or headers at user specified intervals. You interact directly with pop/imap servers and your cc email address is correct. With BB you'll get your BB email address with "sent on behalf of" and your responding email address. You can even wirelessly sync to your PC using activesync (pocketpc) so you get updated tasks and contacts.

I think RIM will enhance the email and sync capabilities since the device is becoming more mainstream as a consumer device. Also, if you're comparing out of the box features the BB falls far short of Treo/PocketPC (i.e. no spell check).

If I had to buy now, I'd look at the BB, Treo and imate jam or MDA III. If it is something I was looking for at the end of the year, it may be a whole new ball game if the rumors of the RIM Electron are true. You'll also have the MDA IV (a clamshell pocketpc with blackberry connect) and the Motorola razrberry.

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I have my Nextel 7520 running on the Blackberry Web Client, and I'm perfectly happy. While the BES gives you a few extra features (such as wireless sync), the odds are good that if you don't have access to a BES, those features aren't a necessity for you.

So, if you haven't already done so, go ahead and get your chosen Blackberry on the BWC. You'll be fine.
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I like the fact that my email still goes to my OL for later use. The mail that gets pused to my bb is deleted from the bwc but I still need to save those in a folder on my ol for later confirmation of communication.
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Hi guys,

I used to use Redirector for my corporate email and it was great -- device inbox and Outlook inbox were completely in sync: only had to deal with messages once and replies were automatically associated with thread (as if I were sitting in front of my PC). Then my ISP connection got flaky and my VPN client (needed for the redirector to work in my case) would get booted off 2 and 3 times a day... not good since I am out of town 3-4 days a week and depend on my BB like oxygen! When it worked, email would show up in Outlook and on BB almost instantaneously (sp?).

I setup the BIS (BWC??) and it is great, except for the syncing of inboxes -- but a small price to pay for handing the responsibility of 24/7 connectivity off to someone else (ie RIM). I setup the following "rules" to handle my mail most effectively (for me!)
1. On BWC: mask outgoing mail to corporate email address
2. On BWC: Set From name to same format as corporate so I would be recognized internally (i.e. last name, first name).
3. On BWC: BCC myself on all outbound mail to my corporate address
4. On Exchange (though Outlook): create rule that re-directs any inbound mail from me, where my name is not in the To field (so I can still email myself reminders without misplacing them), to the Sent Items folder, not the Inbox.
There is about a 10-15 minute delay (at most) between the message going out and my receiving it on the BB -- far from unacceptable! And Bell bumped BWC quota to 25MB...rarely do I run out of room (I do clean up atleast once a week).


Everything working great. Still have BB desktop installed to sync Calendar, To-Do's, and Contacts when I touch base.

Hope this helps someone...
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I also Don't have BES and I love my BB! As listed above and in the other threads , there a plenty of ways to use it.
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Old 08-15-2005, 03:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Spence:

Great post for those of us getting BBs. I'll probably try to set mine up the same way you did.

Do you have any other accounts besides your corporate that you use on your BB? If so, do those accounts 'play nice' with what you've done to your corporate account?

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