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Old 08-18-2005, 08:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is RIM going to put together anything to compete against Windows Mobile 5?
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Old 08-18-2005, 08:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think that's backwards. Is Microsoft finally going to have anything to compete with RIM? Their Windows Mobile efforts to date have been pathetic.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Have you seen the Treo 670? It is going to put the Blackberry to bed. The only thing Blackberry does exceptionally well is push email. Once Microsoft figures out a competitive system blackberry will be gone. Want evendence just look at what they are doing to Palm!
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I agree with NJBlackberry. Blacken - I seriously think that the blackberry does more than push email exceptionally well. I think that the blackberry is, and will be the best on the market. RIM will keep in tune with its competition. They were the first to break onto the email seen, and they will continue to set the bar higher. I think that anything Palm will fizzle out, because palms (as far as ive seen and previously owning some) is garbage. Im Rim all the way.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I lost all respect for Palm with the Treo 600. Even my wife - a die hard Palm user for years, ditched the Treo for a BB 7100t. If PalmOne has truly switched away from the Palm OS, then it is the smartest thing they have done in years. I have several attempts from MS on their mobile operatins systems. From CE to WM 2003 or whatever it is that runs on the POS MPx200. Seriously - RIM is the market leader in mobile e-mail devices and Microsoft has to hit the home run. And RIM is NOT sitting back on their laurels.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Bold statement for three posts? 1 competition is good and brings added development 2. Palm isn't going anywhere anytime soon, slump maybe but don't count them out. 3 the Treo 670 lets see if it makes it to market? If it does lets hope Palm get the build quality right this time around?
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Bold statement for three posts? 1 competition is good and brings added development 2. Palm isn't going anywhere anytime soon, slump maybe but don't count them out. 3 the Treo 670 lets see if it makes it to market? If it does lets hope Palm get the build quality right this time around?
Does PalmOne have a quality assurance group? Not evident to me.
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Don't get me wrong I love my Blackberry, but I do have gripes...
The address book has no second level of security. For instance..with the palm you can hide,and or block out sensitive addresses from within the address book. With the Blackberry I have to use the Password keeper, which is a serious pain in the ass going back and forth. The screen resolution could be better. There is no extra storage, no media player for video or music, no musical ringtones, no camera. Plus it is a tad wide for one handed functionality. They could satisfy both business and consumer customers with 2 versions, everyone else does it. I would be in heaven if they addressed all those issues, but again the 7520 came out recently and I don't see anything in the pipe except for the Electron, and who knows what that has. Plus with the way Nextel puts out phones it could be till 2007 til we see it. Also, why the tall external antenna, I understand the need for better reception, but it is just plain ugly, can't they make it retract more into the device?

Concerning Palm and the 670 you won't (hopefully) have the same software issues because of the different OS. I am not a big fan of MS, but you have to admit they are making it better.

Another good thing about the Blackberry, no crashing!!!

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I agree with almost everything you say - exept I do not care about an MP3 or video player (it's a business device for me and my 800 BB users) and a camera is a no-no. We don't allow cameras in many of our facilities.

I think the 7100 was the first attempt at a consumer device and more should be coming. I won't use them but I think they should be on the way.
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I like the 7100 series, but I can't break away from true QWERTY keyboards, I love them!
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He went from disissing Bb to just dissing the nextel version. I for one dont want all that extra garbage on a cell phone/pda I use it for business as do most users. Palm just sucks my treo is the best doorstop I have ever had though. Micosoft will never take over the mobile world as long as RIM is around the Rim OS is the best there is stable well made and in my opinion I have no problem doing one handed operation of the 7520. The antenna is here to stay on all IDEN phones so you might as well get over it or move to another carrier. I think the BB has come along way in the time its been available on most carriers. I think Rim will be the standard to which others measure themselves.
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I wasn't dissing Nextel at all; mine was more along the lines of "maybe a consumer model would be nice but not for me thanks and absolutely no camera" and not dissing Nextel. We have a pile of them here and the customers love them.
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not you NJBB lol
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Come on man do you work for RIM? Because they are far from perfect! I guarantee if they put out 5 mp phone blackberries and your boss let you have one you would be first in line. There are many reasons business users need cameras. To say that just because you are a corporate user you have no use for a camera is crazy.
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No, I dont work for RIM I just know a quality product when I see one. We have been through these kind of discussions many many times in these forums, I have heard it all before. I have had camera phones and I didnt like them at all. My boss doesnt supply my phone I do. I am far from angry
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Let me clarify something..if you are a corporate user of blackberries which means..put it on like a leash at 9 and take it off at 5 and all you need is PIM data, email and phone then yes the Blackberry is perfect. I am however a big techno person that likes all the bells and whistles. For me it is not cutting it as a mutlimedia device. I am coming from that stand point when I make my argument.

I find it hard to belive that RIM is not sweating a little bit considering MS is getting into the game with devices coming this fall - Razorberry Teo670 and what ever else is in the pipe.

MS will have a learning curve, but they will get a comparable push email system eventually. As I stated before I am not a MS fan, but I will give my cash over to whoever has the best device!
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I find it hard to belive that RIM is not sweating a little bit considering MS is getting into the game with devices coming this fall - Razorberry Teo670 and what ever else is in the pipe.
Why should RIM panic? When your at the top all others have to try and knock you down. RIM knows what prosumers want and need, a no nonsense tool for the working world. Now that the 7100 series is out and showing signs of success in the consumer area, the other players are trying to catch up.
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I think RIM is struggling with the 7100 series I sure am seeing alot of them given away by Pizza places now National Tire and Battery is doing a promotion on them. I dont think the general public is ready for the blackberry because they are going to want all the bells and whistles like you are talking about. But be that as it may this is and always will be a business tool. So they will always cater to the business world IMHO. I dont think you will see a camera or memory slot or mp3 player anytime in the near future. As long as RIM continues to offer rock solid OS and a durable unit they will be kings of the market.
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I think RIM is struggling with the 7100 series I sure am seeing alot of them given away by Pizza places now National Tire and Battery is doing a promotion on them. I dont think the general public is ready for the blackberry because they are going to want all the bells and whistles like you are talking about. But be that as it may this is and always will be a business tool. So they will always cater to the business world IMHO. I dont think you will see a camera or memory slot or mp3 player anytime in the near future. As long as RIM continues to offer rock solid OS and a durable unit they will be kings of the market.
Those promotions have nothing to do with RIM, they are operator initiated (and sometimes distributor initiated). RIM is left out of the deal. It is all part of the operators trying hard to get the 7100x out into the consumer market.

Remember, T-mobile has a large amount of Sidekick subscribers, and the other operators want a piece of that pie.

I think that they 7100 series is one of the strongest performers in the whole device lineup, and I am sure they can put out something even better.
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Well from what I see on these forums and from the folks I know that have them I think they are bottom of the barrel as far as the end user
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