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Old 07-14-2008, 02:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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that pin messaging is untraceable, is this true? If so is it only if you have encryption enabled in security options or all the time?
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you are on BES, it is loggable and traceable.

On BIS, any court order could get whatever RIM might have on a server, I am "guessing".
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds right.
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Aren't pin messages also saved in backups if they aren't cleared before backing up?
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Old 07-14-2008, 04:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes.
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Everything is traceable.... When I was in Narcs we pulled text messages ect via subpoena..... You'd be surprised....

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Everything is traceable.... When I was in Narcs we pulled text messages ect via subpoena..... You'd be surprised....

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Old 07-14-2008, 05:01 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Everything is traceable.... When I was in Narcs we pulled text messages ect via subpoena..... You'd be surprised....

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I agree, Nothing is untraceable. The PIN is tied to an account so that is the first step in tracing.

I have done plenty of Computer Forensics and people are shocked about what can be recovered.
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have done plenty of Computer Forensics and people are shocked about what can be recovered.
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Its easy to keep others from getting your information on a HD...
Step 1) delete all unwanted files
Step 2) format hard drive
Step 3) unscrew the hex screws and remove the platters
Step 4) place hard disk platters in microwave
Step 5) set timer for 25 minutes on high
Step 6) run away


Also, PIN messages take quite a bit more than just going to the courts. Keep in mind RIM's servers are not located in the US, and they would have to agree to abide by it. BlackBerry's are being used by organized crime for the PIN messaging, because it is so secure. It takes quite a bit more effort on the side of law enforcement to get the information.

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Old 07-15-2008, 09:54 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Its easy to keep others from getting your information on a HD...
It's just a bit slow when they're knocking on your door.
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Its easy to keep others from getting your information on a HD...
Step 1) delete all unwanted files
Step 2) format hard drive
Step 3) unscrew the hex screws and remove the platters
Step 4) place hard disk platters in microwave
Step 5) set timer for 25 minutes on high
Step 6) run away
One of my customers is a hard drive destruction business (they actually recycle the remainder of the CPU, processors, etc., but their main selling point the destruction of the hard drives. They have a device using hydraulics that puts about 50,000 lbs of thrust through the hard drive, shattering the platters and punching a 3" diameter hole in the disk.

Of course, with the proper tools, even those shattered pieces can be read for whatever data might remain.

But its cool to see those hard drives with holes in them.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:10 AM   #13 (permalink)
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thats why i still use the BB Abacus
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One of my customers is a hard drive destruction business (they actually recycle the remainder of the CPU, processors, etc., but their main selling point the destruction of the hard drives. They have a device using hydraulics that puts about 50,000 lbs of thrust through the hard drive, shattering the platters and punching a 3" diameter hole in the disk.

Of course, with the proper tools, even those shattered pieces can be read for whatever data might remain.

But its cool to see those hard drives with holes in them.
I have always heard that a very strong electro-magnetic force is the best way to completely scramble data on a hard drive. Is that a fallacy with modern recovery techniques?
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Just remember that no matter how hard you try...if there is the need (aka subpoena) and there is a way...it will be done.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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i've heard many things in my life so far, some i wish i hadn't
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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you can use what the military does in case they are going to be overrun...

1. remove hard drive
2. Place a grenade on top
3. Pull pin
4. Run

Alternatively, they do provide a sledgehammer/ax for the same purpose.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:19 AM   #18 (permalink)
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lets face it

they keep rebuilding the terminator from bits of things so anything is possible
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:46 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Its easy to keep others from getting your information on a HD...
Step 1) delete all unwanted files
Step 2) format hard drive
Step 3) unscrew the hex screws and remove the platters
Step 4) place hard disk platters in microwave
Step 5) set timer for 25 minutes on high
Step 6) run away


Also, PIN messages take quite a bit more than just going to the courts. Keep in mind RIM's servers are not located in the US, and they would have to agree to abide by it. BlackBerry's are being used by organized crime for the PIN messaging, because it is so secure. It takes quite a bit more effort on the side of law enforcement to get the information.
is this an "always on" type thing or is there something I need to be checking in an options menu to have this feature?
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