i spent the whole day trying to figure out the best way to use gmail on my BB and after hours online, i still have a few questions.

BIS POP - although the fastest, the fact that it doesn't pass the Read flags back and forth is really annoying because after using the BB, all my msgs are still unread on the web client

Gmail App - Seems to work perfectly, but email take forever to come through. Not even every 15 min which would be ok but just forever, if they ever come through without me clicking Refresh

BIS IMAP - Seems to work mostly, but still not completely. Very fast delivery times and it updates the web client with Read/Delete/etc when I use the BB, but the REALLY annoying part is that when I use the web client during the day and not the BB, at the end of the day the BB is FULL of new messages that I need to delete even though I've already gone through all of them during the day.

So I guess my question is whether there is any sort of combo of configurations that I can do to have the account sync the Read and Delete both ways between the BB and the Web Client? I tried all sorts of things including both POP and IMAP at the same time as well as various Gmail filters, but it looks like IMAP is almost there except that it shows every email as new on the BB if I use the web client.

TIA

You might need to look at using Yahoo! mail. Yahoo! Mail for me has instantaneous delivery, and has two-way synching. So if I read/delete a message on Yahoo, it will mark it as read or delete it immediately on the BlackBerry, and vice versa. Other than that your only option may be a hosted BES solution.

i saw that Yahoo seems to work fine, but i can't just switch email addresses plus i really like Gmail and had problems with Yahoo before which is why i went with Gmail

a hosted BES solution sounds like something out of my range of abilities and availability

I feel your pain man. I use Yahoo, but my wife has Gmail hosted for work, and Gmail for personal. I setup the Gmail app for her work because she only needs to check it on weekends and she can initiate the check. She is annoyed about the Gmail personal account not syncing. I could have sworn up until last week it synced fine. But I can only go off what she tells me and she doesn't really pay close attention to it. She has only had the device a month now, I would be able to comment on any gmail issues prior to that.

I don't understand why people keep suggesting switching to Hosted BES. Then you have to switch email addresses and the like.

It makes OCD people overheat.

i just don't understand what is so different between yahoo and gmail and they (either rim or google) can't get Gmail to work right....what really pissed me off is that the App is really great and does everything, by wtf does it no refresh? fine it can't do push for whatever reason, but is every 5 min polling too much to ask for?

Try this...from your phone's browser go to www.gmail.com/mobile. Then at the top click the link that says "Get Faster Gmail". Download the application that is for a Hosted Gmail account. When you set it up use your gmail user name and include "@gmail.com" in the username field.

The app will have a Blue M instead of a Red one. My wife's works fine. I don't think its instant push, but it certainly comes thru without her having to initiate it. When she doesn't want to be bothered she signs out.

I vaguely remember setting up the regular (Red M) Gmail app on my Pearl before getting her the curve as a test. I wanted to see how it worked. I remember that it didn't push as you said. Maybe its a bug...maybe we are unlucky...all I can say is that the one with the Blue M gets emails without the user having to initiate the sync.

Good luck.

Oh to answer your question....Yahoo made a special arrangement with RIM. Probably includes some sort of exclusivity. If not, maybe they were just willing to spend the $$$$ in development and Google is not.

I get instant delivery of gmail.

I went to my gmail account: Settings - POP and Forwarding and had my mail forwarded to my xxxx[at]tmo.blackberry.net account -- that gives me instant delivery for messages that are sent to my gmail account.

Then I went to my BIS e-mail account, I didn't set one up for my gmail account, because it's being forwarded there anyway. But I had to change the "sent from" address on my xxxx[at]tmo.blackberry.net to xxxxx[at]gmail.com. That makes the default "sent from" address on my Blackberry xxxx[at]gmail.com. FYI, I can still set up another account (e.g., Yahoo) and it will have a the Yahoo "sent from" address.

Beyond the questions asked above, I also set up another gmail account xxxxx.bbsent[at]gmail.com and had my BIS email accounts send a copy of all messages sent from the Blackberry to that account. Then I set up a rule in Outlook to move all of those messages to my sent folder. Now any messages I send from my blackberry show up as sent items in Outlook.

But that's just me.

hmmm maybe im just lucky *knocks on wood* but when i did the regular "add email" in BB setup the first time with my gmail accounts, they worked just fine as far as recieveing mail. everything is instant pretty much, (sometimes I need a batt pull to get it going, but thats only been like twice in 3 months)

Doesnt delete from the gmail inbox, but does keep them from popping up in my outlook express for some reason, but this is ok since i never actually use the gmail inbox except to empty it out now and then. /shrug

Because it's the only current solution that will do what people are looking for.

Pick one: have your cake or eat it. You can pay for and (in certain cases) change your email address to use hosted BES or deal with workarounds to try to get BIS to provide the same features without really every getting them. Every choice is a compromise of some sort.

Dunno. Have you asked Google?

Strange. Mine receives new mail on its own. Maybe you were using an older version? I don't use it much but it has a new mail indicator on the icon. I'm not sure what the delivery intervals are but I know it's not very quick.

Yes but re-read the OP. Instant delivery and reconciliation are the goal. You don't get any reconciliation when forwarding. The default method BIS uses to integrate gmail provides very quick mail delivery without the forwarding workaround.