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Old 08-02-2008, 01:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I Have Finally Resolved The Mms Problem With The Unlocked 8320 For At&t!

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I know there are quite a few of us out there with the same problem I've been having, and I've yet to see any resolutions.

Here's the problem: Unlocked T-Mobile 8320 used on the AT&T network doesn't support MMS withOUT the data plan. If you're like me, you either won't buy into the ridiculous price or simply don't care much for the Internet, but rather the texting.

BUT! I have finally gotten my MMS to work without having to succumb to the Blackberry Data plan (which I almost did). So, low and behold- THE SOLUTION:

1) Log into your account via attwireless.com
2) ADD the Blackberry Data Plan for $30.00 a month (This will send AT&T Service books to your phone, which you need for MMS and cannot do without a data plan from AT&T)
3) Restart your phone. I recommend a hard reset.
4) Load your phone, allowing everything to update.
5) Just to be safe, go to Options-->Advanced-->Service Book and your list should now consist of everything from Wi-Fi to MEdia Mall. Double check to make sure you have MMS CLIENT and MMS TRANSPORT [WPTCP]
6) After these have loaded on to your phone, go back into your account and DELETE the Blackberry Data Plan. (MAKE SURE YOU DON'T DELETE YOUR SMS PACKAGE, AS THIS WILL LET YOU THINK YOU ARE SENDING SMS/MMS, BUT YOU REALLY WON'T BE. IN THIS CASE, YOU WILL HAVE TO CALL AT&T AND HAVE THEM RE-ADD YOUR SMS PACKAGE)
7) Also, when you remove the Blackberry Data Plan, it may or may not remove your Internet Pay Per Use (which is needed for MMS), so make sure you still have that. (You can tell because your phone will say "GSM", as opposed to "edge")
8) Enjoy your MMS!

Just so there's no confusion, here are the pre-requisites for MMS withOUT a data plan:

1) Internet Pay Per Use
2) SMS capablities
3) Service books

This should work. I have had this problem for a few months now, and finally figured that I could trick AT&T into giving me back my MMS. If not, feel free to message me. Now, if I could only get my built-in AIM client to work...

PS- Do NOT ask the AT&T rep about this, as they are all confused. They will all tell you that you need a data plan for MMS to work, but what you really need are the service books from AT&T which an unlocked phone does not come with.
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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moved to a separate thread...

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is there any way to get the service books other than signing up for the BB plan? For example, is there somewhere I can download them off the internet and then manually install them into my phone?

Great way around... sure beats the other option I read about which is installing a new operating system on my phone...!!
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oh, and instead of Pay Per Use internet... I changed the phone that AT&T thinks I have and signed up for the MediaNet Unlimited plan. I had the servicebooks but then accidentally deleted them... I don't wanna have to go back through all that again!
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The AT&T family text plan, and the unlimited text plan, include SMS and MMS text. Without some type of text plan, it is pay-as-you-go. As this is my complete understanding of AT&T and their U.S.A. subsidiaries.
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This thread reeks of fraud
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The AT&T family text plan, and the unlimited text plan, include SMS and MMS text. Without some type of text plan, it is pay-as-you-go. As this is my complete understanding of AT&T and their U.S.A. subsidiaries.
That's what they told me, but they charged me data for my pics even though I had the unlimited messaging plan that they said "wouldn't charge for MMS." The unlimited text plan does cover MMS, it just doesn't cover the data associated with it. It's dumb.


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Possibly. But as far as I know, or am concerned, it's not. I bought the phone. If I just want a plain medianet plan on it, well... it's my phone.
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I don't think its fraud if you have the MEdia Net data plan and want MMS, just like on any other AT&T phone. You're tricking them into getting you the service books, but then you don't need service books for MMS with a RAZR2 and MEdia Net. You shouldn't need service books to send MMS, but Blackberrys do things differently so you have to fool it into allowing this feature. And you're not getting something for nothing: you'll still be charged for the MMS message or have it come out of your paid message allotment for the month.
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I changed the phone that AT&T thinks I have and signed up for the MediaNet Unlimited plan....
Uh huh... first clue, if you have to deceive your carrier to get what you're after for free, rather than paying what they charge for the appropriate plan for the equipment, that's called fraud in my dictionary.
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Uh huh... first clue, if you have to deceive your carrier to get what you're after for free, rather than paying what they charge for the appropriate plan for the equipment, that's called fraud in my dictionary.
I would agree if you were getting something for nothing, or getting a special Blackberry-only service you don't deserve. But a user will pay for these messages just like on any other phone.
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Meh... maybe I'm just pickin' a fight then

It just doesn't sound on the up-and-up

Carry on then
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Aren't you paying for the data of MMS under the pay per use plan so what's the biggie? I don't get it.
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Meh... maybe I'm just pickin' a fight then

It just doesn't sound on the up-and-up

Carry on then
I agree it sounds a little fugazey. I had to think about it for a while and then I realized he was just getting the basic features offered on almost any cell phone. And most importantly, paying for it! After all, you can use the phone feature and do text messaging without the data plan. I think he's just working around an artificial restriction that the Blackberry places on users. If it was a way to get over on AT&T and get something for nothing I'd be crying "Foul", loud and clear!
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Aren't you paying for the data of MMS under the pay per use plan so what's the biggie? I don't get it.
Biggie = 0

I just didn't get it

For some reason it just sounded like a circumvention to an appropriate BB data plan. i.e. Getting something without said plan, that you shouldn't have. I jumped the gun and I'll give myself 40 lashes with a wet berry!
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Well, I ended up using the BlackBerry desktop manager to restore my old settings for service books (I used to pay the full price for the BlackBerry plan, so I had the service books for MMS) and now my MMS is working again.

But yeah. I pay for the $15/m medianet data plan, plus the $30/m for the family texting. It just isn't worth it to me to pay another $15/m for the BlackBerry messenger and their email system (like I said I'm content with the funambol but would also be content with the gmail app for free).

I won't lie, I do not like having to tell AT&T that I'm using the RAZR, but in all honesty, I was using that phone when I called and did the switch. HaHa. It is a phone that I actually paid for. So yeah. Everything I'm doing is legal and ethical, insofar as I know...

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great thread, you have solved my problem too. it is absolutely ludicrous to pay a monthly fee to have your phone features unlocked, to use the service you have already paid for, the multi-media messaging plan. shame on ATT and Blackberry for conspiring to defraud consumers in this manner. See blackberryforums.com/rants-raves-forum/162392-t-blackberry-consumer-fraud.html#post1189883
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No one is defrauding anyone. If you want to use the full features of a BlackBerry, then get the BlackBerry data plan. If you do not want to pay for a BlackBerry Data Plan, then you may not be able to use all of the functions.
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To use an analogy which may help some of us who have their blinders on, consider this. What if Dell charged a monthly fee on top of your monthly ISP rate for each computer in your home, to "unlock" the computer's features. This could be true for any PC maker, all charging additional monthly fees on top of your ISP rate, to "unlock" their computers. Please...................... .
You are being scammed. All of the features of the Blackberry phone should be "unlocked" when you pay............. for the phone. This is and easy concept. Then, you pay your wireless service provide, AT&T in this case, for what you need.
I have paid............ AT&T for the Family Unlimited Text, Pictures, and Video plan for every phone line on my account.
My phone has this capability.
Blackberry and AT&T are defrauding me by attempting to extort an additional monthly fee beyond my messaging plan fee, in order to use messaging features on my Blackberry Curve 8310.
That, my friend, is a scam.............also known as consumer fraud.













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So I should get every channel that my satellite provider offers, because my receiver is capable of it. CONSUMER FRAUD!!!

Uh, it doesn't work that way.

Find a good consumer lawyer and see if they will file a class action lawsuit for you.

Good luck with your consumer fraud case...
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