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Old 08-14-2008, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If I was to purchase a brand new BB unlatched, is there a difference in them? ie do they come out of the box intended for use on BIS or BES and do I have to make sure that I get the correct one or does the provisioning come from the network?

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Ready for both. It just needs a BIS or BES plan to suck up to.
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This is where it gets confusing then as I bought an unlateched BB, put in my corporare sim card (O2-UK) which has BES enabled and did an enterprise activation. All worked fine.

Then I put in a different corporate sim card which has BIS activated and that also let me do an enterprise activation.

From all the information that I can find, it seems that there is different provisioning for BIS and BES so how come the devices I have work on BES regardless of whether they are setup for BIS or BES. I.E. on one of the sims I am paying the 10 BIS service but am able to use BES.

It's getting very confusing. Does this mean that if I put a consumer O2 sim card in (or another carrier for that matter) and add the BIS component that I can still use BES? All info would seem to suggest no but then what I have already done shouldn't have worked either should it?

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Then I put in a different corporate sim card which has BIS activated and that also let me do an enterprise activation.
Then it's a BES data plan, not BIS.
It's simply not possible to Enterprise Activate a Blackberry on a BES without a BES data plan.
The enterprise data plan allows both BIS and BES.


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From all the information that I can find, it seems that there is different provisioning for BIS and BES so how come the devices I have work on BES regardless of whether they are setup for BIS or BES. I.E. on one of the sims I am paying the 10 BIS service but am able to use BES.
It's a BES data plan. It will allow BIS and BES.

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Does this mean that if I put a consumer O2 sim card in (or another carrier for that matter) and add the BIS component that I can still use BES?
Nope. A BIS data plan will not allow BES enterprise activations.
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When I look at the data components added to each of the 2 numbers, one is BIS and one is BES, this is definitely the case so it does seem to work despite you saying that it's not possible.
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When I look at the data components added to each of the 2 numbers, one is BIS and one is BES, this is definitely the case so it does seem to work despite you saying that it's not possible.
Just for good measure, I'll say it again.
You cannot successfully activate on a BES with only a BIS plan. It can't be done.

If you've activated on a BES, and the device is functioning properly on the BES, then you have a BES data plan.
I don't care what your bill says, or how much you're paying for it. It's a BES data plan.
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ok i understand what you are saying. so it is obviously provisioned for both services? is this not what the networks normally do then?
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Yes.

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