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Old 08-16-2008, 03:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Watch the sarcasm. It is apparently offensive to some (not to me, of course).

And, for EVERYONE in the thread, watch out for the Black Helicopters when using your BB.

A device secure enough for the government is not THAT easily tracked, now is it?

... and at the risk of offending some (for the second time), paranoia is a powerful thing. Just because you think the boogey man is hiding behind every door, doesn't make it so. To me, this sounds like someone planted a seed of doubt or suspicion in the mind of someone, and that doubt or suspicion caused him to panic.

I seriously doubt that the OP was affected by something a sinister as some are making it out to be. Just because someone SAYS something is possible, it isn't necessarily so.
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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OP was told an application has been installed on their phone.
On a BlackBerry. Let's stick to that premise.

No one has ever heard on any such thing.
Not true. FlexiSpy is real.

It's very possible the OP may being harassed and bullied, not actually tracked. There is technology for tracking phones, including BlackBerrys, even though we may not be familiar with it -- that does not mean it doesn't exist. I can understand skepticism, but that's no reason to make light of the OPs concerns.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I am not making light of their concerns.
This should be taken to the authorities. Even if paranoia is involved.

Have you seen Flexispy in action? Has anyone here?

"FlexiSPY must be consciously installed on the device by a user who has physical possession of that device."

In which case, following the earlier instructions to wipe out the BB and just reload the OS, will remove any threat. Right?
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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It doesn't appear FlexSpy is available for the BlackBerry. ]

While the technology might be available, is it actually available for the BlackBerry?
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Spy Phone Location Tracking and Remote Listening Software for Blackberry Mobile Phones - FlexiSPY PRO Blackberry Spyphone

Next stop - we are watching you.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I am not making light of their concerns.
This should be taken to the authorities. Even if paranoia is involved.

Have you seen Flexispy in action? Has anyone here?

"FlexiSPY must be consciously installed on the device by a user who has physical possession of that device."

In which case, following the earlier instructions to wipe out the BB and just reload the OS, will remove any threat. Right?
I have not seen FleixSpy in action, but it is documented in the YouTube video link I posted above. IF there was a trial version, which there doesn't seem to be, I would install it on my BB to see how it works. It has been tested by some security software companies and can be removed on some mobile phones by mobile anti-virus software (not BlackBerrys). There is a description and screenshots of FlexiSpy (Symbian version) here:

F-Secure Malware Information Pages: Flexispy.A

JSanders, the FlexiSpy website claims to have a version for BlackBerry. I posted the link above. This Symantec write up says it works on BlackBerrys.

Spyware.FlexiSpy - Symantec.com
This page gives the names of the .cod file on the BB.
Spyware.FlexiSpy - Symantec.com

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The program arrives as the following Java application:
net_rim_app_console_pro.cod
Yes, the person would have to have the phone in their possession to install something like FlexiSpy. And yes, wiping and reloading the OS would remove the threat. I agree reporting to the authorities is the right thing to do, but there can be complications to a situation.

Since I'm on my soapbox, I'll take it a little further. In cases of domestic abuse (which this may or may not be), there can be serious consequences to the victim if the abuser finds out that they are planning a getaway or tampering with technology used to track them. Using a keylogger/surveillance app on a PC as an example -- if an abuser finds out the victim has removed the keylogger, they may become more violent with the victim. If the abuser finds out they are making plans to leave or getting help, it can trigger more violence -- beating, that kind of thing. I was on a panel at a workshop where an expert on domestic abuse spoke about these things, especially related to electornic monitoring. It was quite an eye opener. There may be reasons not to remove the spy software or keylogger until the victim has a safe place to go. There is some basic information about this here:

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Old 08-16-2008, 04:32 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I saw that it was available for BB now, I was looking at the first link you had posted.

As stated earlier, the user needs to wipe their device and reload the OS, and be prepared with local law enforcement for protection should their tracker become violent.
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I saw that it was available for BB now, I was looking at the first link you had posted.

As stated earlier, the user needs to wipe their device and reload the OS, and be prepared with local law enforcement for protection should their tracker become violent.
I thought the first link I posted was to the BlackBerry version. If the OP is a victim of abuse, he/she (in almost all cases the victim is a woman), should contact a support agency for victims of domestic violence. Most US metropolitan areas have such agencies, and there are national hotlines, too. There are resources for help with safe escape including when to contact law enforcement. If it's not a domestic abuse situation, contacting the police right away would seem the best action. A restraining order might be needed, and charges might need to be filed.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:52 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The link up in post #19. I didn't see BB listed there.

And, we might only be assuming it is a woman.
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Check post # 7.

Correct, we don't know if the OP is a man or woman. There is a lot we don't know about the OP (and I would not encourage them to post too many details of their situation on a public forum). Sometimes there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Everyone's circumstances can be different and we don't know all the details.
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Contact FBI and ask for the IC3 unit. You should find them on the FBI website under internet fraud.
They will help you and direct you to the proper group. Chances are that if it is only in your area they will tell you to contact local authorities first.
If it is over State or Country Borders then they will work with you.
Very good group of people I have been involved working with them before.
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Old 08-16-2008, 07:12 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I wonder who own's the number you are calling that triggers the notification. Do you know what kind of service that number belongs to? Cell, landline, BB, pda, Skype, Vonage? I can set my Vonage service so I get a notice on my BB (via email) when I have a missed call or new voice message on my Vonage home office line. Wonder if the offender is getting notices of calls/texts from everyone calling/texting that number and not just when you call/text...??
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I don't think there's any high tech thing going on here. Either it's as simple as the other person has hacked the cell phone account or they have a friend who works for the provider and is feeding information. Could even be the same activity on the receiver's account.

Or they're doing some standard stalking/control freak behavior and bluffing. As in they'll see someone making a call and going by the person's demanor while on the call, they guess what kind of call it is. Then make an accusation and then guess by the reaction whether they're right or not.

I think it is very possible to create a spyware type program and install it on a BB if someone has access and any password. It is Java afterall. The Packet8 dialing program on my phone intercepts international calls and then routes it to Packet8 so I save money on the call. Wouldn't take a lot more work to do the same thing, except let the call go through, but send a message on what number I'm calling to someone else. The program does not show as running (neither does Google Calendar sync or several other programs) and I'm sure there's a way to not get it to show in Applications. Or just name it something that sounds like it belongs.

But on the OP's situation, this doesn't sound like anything new. In lots of abusive or similar situation the victim will say the abuser said they were always watching, had a tracking mechanism in the car, had a group of associates who were watching them even when they weren't, etc. It's all BS as it sounds like in this case. A third party website being able to access the cell provider's data would be a huge security breach. If it existed, Paparazzi and news media would be using it all the time to track stars or suspects.
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