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Old 09-10-2008, 09:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a blackberry Curve with ATT wireless. I think that my phone has been tapped. is this possible? For instance i believe that the emails and txt msgs i receive gets directed to another account as well. so i get it but someone else is getting it and they are using this information. Im wondering if anyone knows if this can be done and how. the person that i believe will be doing it knows all my info. meaning ss# address DOB, everything. Now i just recently changed my number because of alot of private calls. but the funny thing was that 20min latter i get a call from a att representative and she says sorry we got cut off. i just completed your change. i say excuse me and she says werent we speaking just a few minutes ago like 2 min ago. i say no i spoke to you guys like 20minutes ago. she said didnt you ask for your number to be reverted back to the original number you had i said no. she said oh my. someone called in and verified with your DOB and SS3 and aasked to change your number back. it was a woman. i tell them im a man why would you allow this. she said the person verified you. so anyways to make a long story short we put a password that only i hope i know. thats my story. im sure my phone is tapped. i need to find out how it was done and how to fix it and how i can find out who did it.

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Anyone with your email password can have your emails sent to them. Simple fix, change your password. As far as text messages, there is not a way to clone them to another device, same with calls.
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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From my limited understanding, the BB is fairly hackproof. In fact, your concerns are very similar to mine, though, to my knowledge nobody has ever acted as me with a Rogers rep. I say to my knowledge b/c I DO have issues with hacking with my ex husband, which is one of the primary reasons I got the BB. I started a thread just like this when I first joined the forum, hopefully some of these answers will ease your mind a bit, they did for me. And definitely begin locking your handheld and use a small time limit on it, that alone will give you some peace of mind. So sorry you are going through this, because I have SO been there, still am.

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Is the Blackberry Hackproof?

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Your posting is a bit hard to follow, but if I understand you correctly, this is what happened;

Background
1 - You believe emails/messages from your phone are being CC'd to another phone account.
2 - Someone, a female, apparently knows personal information about you (SSN, DOB, etc.).

Events
1 - You called ATT CS and changed your number because of "alot of private calls." (?)
2 - 20 minutes later ATT CS calls you back and says that your new number has been removed and your old number reinstated at the request of an unknown female caller.
3 - This unknown female caller knew enough private information to impersonate you.
4 - You placed a password on your account while on the phone with ATT CS.

What you are asking:
1 - How was this done?
2 - How can it be fixed?
3 - Who did it?


Phone tapping is the process of actually listening in and recording a phone call. I think your problem is that, like you said, more specifically, it is that your messages/emails are being sent to another account, as well as your own. Not necessarily a "phone tap."

Your Blackberry device is very secure. The likeliest way that someone could be redirecting your messages would be if they had physical possession of your phone long enough to install a bit of software, or perhaps just change the settings in your email. It might be possible for someone to perform this by making a call to ATT Customer Service and making the changes there, without physical possession of your phone, but I think that is very unlikely. But in either case, the main problem is that someone got ahold of your personal information and is using it.

Placing a password on your device and never allowing it out of your possession, along with protecting your personal information, would prevent this problem from continuing, as well as being the best defense in the future.

So, all that said, my very first thought is that you probably already know this person. After all, Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned...
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Your posting is a bit hard to follow, but if I understand you correctly, this is what happened;

Background
1 - You believe emails/messages from your phone are being CC'd to another phone account.
2 - Someone, a female, apparently knows personal information about you (SSN, DOB, etc.).

Events
1 - You called ATT CS and changed your number because of "alot of private calls." (?)
2 - 20 minutes later ATT CS calls you back and says that your new number has been removed and your old number reinstated at the request of an unknown female caller.
3 - This unknown female caller knew enough private information to impersonate you.
4 - You placed a password on your account while on the phone with ATT CS.

What you are asking:
1 - How was this done?
2 - How can it be fixed?
3 - Who did it?


Phone tapping is the process of actually listening in and recording a phone call. I think your problem is that, like you said, more specifically, it is that your messages/emails are being sent to another account, as well as your own. Not necessarily a "phone tap."

Your Blackberry device is very secure. The likeliest way that someone could be redirecting your messages would be if they had physical possession of your phone long enough to install a bit of software, or perhaps just change the settings in your email. It might be possible for someone to perform this by making a call to ATT Customer Service and making the changes there, without physical possession of your phone, but I think that is very unlikely. But in either case, the main problem is that someone got ahold of your personal information and is using it.

Placing a password on your device and never allowing it out of your possession, along with protecting your personal information, would prevent this problem from continuing, as well as being the best defense in the future.

So, all that said, my very first thought is that you probably already know this person. After all, Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned...

you are correct on all points. is there a way for me to chck my phone for software that was installed. the person i believe is behind this has physical access to my phone. I live with her
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Check to see if your email account(s) have forwarding setup because if this girl has your email password she could have logged in and set your email to forward to her account. Just a thought. Also if she called in and changed your phone number on your AT&T account the call very likely was recorded. If you listen to this call you might recognize her voice and get even.
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you are correct on all points. is there a way for me to chck my phone for software that was installed. the person i believe is behind this has physical access to my phone. I live with her
I would start with a complete wipe and reinstall of your software and operating system, then IMMEDIATELY follow that with a strong password that would not be easily guessable by anyone who knows you. Use a couple of random non-alpha characters (&@#%$, etc.) and be sure that it is not a password that you have ever used before.

You might want to phone ATT again and check to see if they are indeed using your new password for account access. Be certain that there is no one within earshot of your phone call. You could take a walk around the block while doing this, just to be safe. Depending on your level of paranoia, you might consider that wireless bugs have been planted in your home. Just a thought...

Hopefully one of the more technically savvy folks on the board here will be able to chime in on this question and elaborate further. I really don't have any advice for you beyond that. Except maybe to work on resolving your domestic issues a bit. A loss of trust in a relationship really sucks...
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Oooh, ouch! That's a tough one. Well, first and foremost you need to keep your phone on you at ALL times. Put it under your pillow if you have to, lock it up in a safe, your trunk or glovebox, or *somewhere* or hide it in a clever location if you must leave it. If there is any chance she will access it while you are sleeping, in the shower, what have you, then you absolutely MUST put a password lock on it with a password that is impossible for her to guess. Remember though, 10 tries and your BB gets wiped, so keep that in mind as well.

As far as checking if software HAS been installed on it already, I don't have the answer to that one. But you CAN wipe your handheld and start from scratch. That way if there is software on it, the wipe will take care of it.
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Check to see if your email account(s) have forwarding setup because if this girl has your email password she could have logged in and set your email to forward to her account. Just a thought. Also if she called in and changed your phone number on your AT&T account the call very likely was recorded. If you listen to this call you might recognize her voice and get even.
Good thought on the email forward possibility. Log in to your BIS account with your PC and check to see if any settings have been changed. Once you verify everything is good then change your password and log out.

However - since a keystroke logger may have been installed on your PC, you may want to do this from your Blackberry or a friend's computer.
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this is crazy!!! are you sure this girl is not some sort of spy for the soviets or something? i keep mine on or near me AT ALL TIMES!!! if i forget it i go back and get it. that's how you should be with it.
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I think you should move out, in a hurry.
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this is crazy!!! are you sure this girl is not some sort of spy for the soviets or something? i keep mine on or near me AT ALL TIMES!!! if i forget it i go back and get it. that's how you should be with it.
Soviets? Are there really any of them left around? LOL

Seriously though, I am never more than a couple feet from my BB at any time, even in the shower. It is ALWAYS in my possession. I literally sleep with my BB most nights. I read ebooks at night and normally fall asleep within minutes. I usually wake up with my BB under my pillow. I just charge it in the morning and on my way in to work each day. The battery never drops below 60-70%. I have a Seidio cradle on my nightstand when I don't feel like reading.

Of course, sometimes I have to relinquish the attention I give my Blackberry when my wife is looking for a change in the bedtime routine...

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Why are these posts always a guy having trouble with a woman getting into his info? Is it that women in general are sneaky and conniving or is it that men have a tendancy to do things they shouldn't? LOL
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Why are these posts always a guy having trouble with a woman getting into his info? Is it that women in general are sneaky and conniving or is it that men have a tendancy to do things they shouldn't? LOL
Women and men are very similar, except when it comes to communication.

I have worked in a female dominated profession for several years (nursing) and have made some observations and conclusions. Prior to this career I worked in a male dominated profession, firefighting, so I am able to make good comparisons between the two groups.

I have found that men are socialized to confront issues directly, and women are socialized to confront things in a more passive-aggressive manner. If a man suspects his wife of unfaithfulness he is more likely to confront the situation head on and deal with things directly. A woman in the same situation might be less direct. She might hire a detective, look at his email/phone logs, etc. Men have been socialized to believe that confronting issues directly is honorable and shows strength of character. Women are not always held back by those limitations and are able to use a wider variety of tactics. In other words, she might do things that a man would consider sneaky or conniving. A woman is more likely to hire an attorney first, if the relationship is going that badly. A man may not even realize something is wrong until he comes home to a half empty house one day and a letter from her attorney on the dining room table.

I strongly believe that both men and women are capable of the same degree of infidelity (if that's what we are talking about here), it's just that women tend to have a better grasp on body language, voice tone, and subtle changes in routine. Women are either socialized to be better communicators, or are just better at it naturally. Men are less inclined to note voice tone, body language, and other forms of secondary communication, and pay more attention to directly WHAT is said, not necessarily HOW something is said, to grasp the full meaning.

These observations are just my own, and they do not hold 100% true. There will always be those of either gender who have strong talents in both directions. That is why you find some women who are able to communicate very well with men, and vice versa.

Sorry for the extreme off-topic ramble, but I enjoyed it.
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Here are the facts that are obviously overlooked.
1. A woman who has access to personal information (SSN, DOB, etc.)
2. A woman who has access to your phone to install spy software on it without you knowing.

You mentioned your wife in a previous reply. Look at what is available for anyone to purchase.
Google cell phone and spy software and you will find available software that will forward all messages from your phone. It will even silently call a third phone when a call comes in or goes out on your phone and they can listen to every word without you knowing.
Your wife is checking up on you. Why she is doing this is between you and her but its very obvious that its being done.

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All this appears to be trust issues in the relationship. That is, she doesn't trust you and from reading the posts, you do not trust her. I do not see how this relationship can survive. Maybe some counseling; maybe a change of scenery, i.e., he go east-she go west. Then again, instead of seeking help from anonymous strangers, you could look her in the eyeballs and ask what the problem is --- but you already know the answer to that don't you.
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Soviets? Are there really any of them left around? LOL

Seriously though, I am never more than a couple feet from my BB at any time, even in the shower. It is ALWAYS in my possession. I literally sleep with my BB most nights. I read ebooks at night and normally fall asleep within minutes. I usually wake up with my BB under my pillow. I just charge it in the morning and on my way in to work each day. The battery never drops below 60-70%. I have a Seidio cradle on my nightstand when I don't feel like reading.

Of course, sometimes I have to relinquish the attention I give my Blackberry when my wife is looking for a change in the bedtime routine...
Well mabey it happens while you are changing the bedtime routine
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Somebody made a leap of faith.... just because the OP said that he lives with her, does not mean that it's his wife. It could be her sister....
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All this appears to be trust issues in the relationship. That is, she doesn't trust you and from reading the posts, you do not trust her. I do not see how this relationship can survive. Maybe some counseling; maybe a change of scenery, i.e., he go east-she go west. Then again, instead of seeking help from anonymous strangers, you could look her in the eyeballs and ask what the problem is --- but you already know the answer to that don't you.
And I don't see what this has to do with answering the OP's technical question professor.... Why do people kick it into "therapist" mode when questions like this come up?
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