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Old 11-16-2005, 12:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just switched from the RIM957 to a used BlackBerry 5800 yesterday. Something funny has been going on with the battery meter, and I'm wondering if anyone else has had a similar problem with their BlackBerry:

I charged the handheld all day at work, and took it off the cradle around 6:15pm. I took the subway downtown (about 30 minutes out of coverage), and the battery still read as full when I came back into coverage.

I sent and recieved about 10 small emails over the course of the next 3 hours (in good GPRS coverage). By 10:00, the battery was down to 25%!

I tried placing a call, and according to the on-screen status, it appeared to be working, but I heard nothing. I later found out that the person I called could hear me, but I couldn't hear her.

I went back on the subway (out of coverage) for 10 minutes, and when I resurfaced, I checked the battery meter. Down to 10%!

I tried placing another call. Same problem as last time!

By the time I got home, the battery was at 0%, and the BlackBerry had turned its radio off. My charger was at work, so I just left it on overnight in this "low battery" mode, expecting it to be dead by the morning.

So, this morning, I got up and checked it. Still up and running on "0%" battery, and refusing to turn on the radio.

When I got to work, I plugged it into the charger, and it wouldn't start charging! After about a minute with no results, I pulled it from the charger and rebooted it (by poking at the reset button with a pin). When it finished rebooting, the battery meter was at 100%! Now, 3 hours, 10 emails, and a successful (2-way audio!) call later, it's still pegged at 100%.

Is this normal? What's going on?
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The 58XX device is a very old BlackBerry, 4 years old now.

It is the first cellphone-network BlackBerry and is unfortunately MUCH more buggy than the 950/957.

Suggestions that can be done:

1. Upgrade the BlackBerryOS. There is a link in my FAQ. This may solve several of the bugs. Including, possibly, the battery power meter bug.

2. If the battery still misbehaves after the OS upgrade, replace the battery. If this is like other 4-year-old cellphones, its battery is often flaky. However, if you can baby it along, make sure you fully charge it and then fully use it up, for about three or four cycles, then use it normally (top it off when you feel like it, to preserve its life).

3. Alternatively, switch to a more recent model (I highly recommend the very mature, rugged, cheap, durable, stable used 7280 if you are cheap, a 7290 if you find one for a great price, or wait for an 8700 if you are buying new.) Reception is much better on -80 -90 suffixed models or the 7100/8700 because of the existence of the 850 Mhz GSM band. Sometimes the 850 Mhz signal has 3 bars better signal than the 1900 Mhz band, but the bonus is much better rural reception, especially travelling between cities or suburbs.
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We made the mistake of 7230's from T-Mobile. The lack of GSM850 is a big problem for anyone who strays off the beaten path. It's not that big of a deal on the e-mail side because it only takes a few seconds of coverage to download mail, but if your dipping in and out of coverage constantly it really makes it hard to get and make calls.

On the other hand, t-mobile has a rate that Cingular can't beat. At least now the 7290 is out and that may solve some issues. But it still may require a manual network change.
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1. Upgrade the BlackBerryOS. There is a link in my FAQ. This may solve several of the bugs. Including, possibly, the battery power meter bug.
I did this before starting to use it.. I'm on 3.6.0.73, which I believe is the newest OS available for the 5800.

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2. If the battery still misbehaves after the OS upgrade, replace the battery. If this is like other 4-year-old cellphones, its battery is often flaky. However, if you can baby it along, make sure you fully charge it and then fully use it up, for about three or four cycles, then use it normally (top it off when you feel like it, to preserve its life).
I'm currently attempting this. I haven't charged it since early Tuesday evening (now it's Thursday morning), and the battery meter still says 100%. It must be wrong.. I'm waiting for it to suddenly drop to 0 at some point today or tomorrow.

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3. Alternatively, switch to a more recent model (I highly recommend the very mature, rugged, cheap, durable, stable used 7280 if you are cheap, a 7290 if you find one for a great price, or wait for an 8700 if you are buying new.) Reception is much better on -80 -90 suffixed models or the 7100/8700 because of the existence of the 850 Mhz GSM band. Sometimes the 850 Mhz signal has 3 bars better signal than the 1900 Mhz band, but the bonus is much better rural reception, especially travelling between cities or suburbs.
You're tempting me.

I really do want to hold out for the 8700, but there are a number of factors that make me want to wait until it's available on Telus (A 1X network provider in Canada). As you are painfully aware, Mark, the $90 "unlimited" plan on Rogers GPRS is capped at 25MB/month, whereas the $100 "unlimited" Telus 1X plan is capped at a more reasonable 250MB/month.

I know 1X only works in North America, but Rogers roaming fees being what they are, that's not really a big deal for me.

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I really do want to hold out for the 8700, but there are a number of factors that make me want to wait until it's available on Telus (A 1X network provider in Canada). As you are painfully aware, Mark, the $90 "unlimited" plan on Rogers GPRS is capped at 25MB/month, whereas the $100 "unlimited" Telus 1X plan is capped at a more reasonable 250MB/month.
Don't forget you can't run 3rd party network software applications (VeriChat MSN/AIM/ICQ, BB Weather, Google Maps Mobile clones such as HelloWorld, etc) on Telus without BES/MDS, I am hoping Telus changes this restrictive policy though you can get BES/MDS hosting for approx $20 CDN per month from various providers, such as Link2Exchange which is a sponsor of BlackBerryForums. Also, Rogers is also rumored to raise the cap as well, though it might be to just 100 megabytes.

CDMA versions of the 8700 are not expected until middle of next year from rumors posted elsewhere in this forum. (I would tend to believe that's probably true)

I agree Rogers is really expensive for voice roaming. But if you're talking about data roaming, there's not much difference - Rogers data roaming is similiar to Bell data roaming, for both it's something like 10 dollars a megabyte (1 cent a kilobyte). I ran single-socket chat software while travelling last time for a few days and spend less than 10 dollars, so I found it acceptable.
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Update:

Now it's Friday morning, and I still haven't charged since Tuesday evening, and the battery meter still says 100%. Phone and email are still fully functional.

Freaky.
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