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Old 11-18-2005, 10:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Folks - first time poster.

I'm looking to get a Blackberry in the next couple of weeks, and need to understand if I'm limited a given provider, considering my requirements. I have access to a corporate Bell Mobility plan, and this would be my most flexible option as far as plan changes in the future.

- I'm not sure if I will subscribe or have access to a BES.
- Definately need to have Yahoo capability. I see that Verichat has been stated to work 'out of the box' on the 7250, but want to confirm with someone on Bell Mobility today.
- I have been offered a 7290 from Rogers in a month or so. Plan might be more expensive than my options with Bell. I understand that the native yahoo im client will only work on Rogers, not Bell.

Please point me in the right direction if these questions have been anwered.

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Old 11-18-2005, 04:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Go with Rogers.
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Depends on soo much...but it's a bit of a toss up.

Data
There are two big differences between Rogers and Bell with Blackberry: Data.
Rogers has a cap on their unlimited data: 25mb and Bell's is 100mb.
I use a chat client similar to Verichat, plus an RSS reader, recieve a ton of e-mail, and surf the internet frequently on the Blackberry. I use approximately 32mb/month.
So, I only pay $60 for the data (Bell Unlimited Plan)
The same usage on Rogers for the Data would be:
$60 for the Rogers Unlimited plan + ($7 x MB's over) = $109
More info on the Rogers Rip-off: http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...age=27#4706625

Connectivity
Then there's the MDS/TCP issue.
To use a chat client, RSS Reader, or pretty much any cool 3rd Party Application that needs an http connection...for Yahoo, you'll need Verichat, I think.
on Rogers, you're good to go, on Bell, you need to be on a BES.
That's going to cost approximately:
$9.99mo USD + a one time RIM license fee of $39.99 USD through www.exchangemymail.com (Blackberry Forums Sponsor)
which will also let you sync all of your PIM wirelessly (added bonus)
more info: The Hosted BES FAQ - Cheap BES/MDS - Wireless Outlook sync!

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Then, there's the Hardware.
Rogers is the first Canadian Company with the 8700r complete with EDGE for faster bandwidth...coming soon
But Bell is coming out with a 7100 series that's supposed to have EV-DO, which will provide the fastest surfing broadband on the market...and should allow users to tether to laptops for surfing...coming soon.
more info: http://www.businessonthego.ca/defaul...splashBB7130E/
And the other rumour is that there will be a handheld software upgrade to make all 7250's run on the 1X-EV-DO system.
More info: 8700 forum and rumour mill...

Tethering
Currently, through directions posted in this forum, you can tether your Blackberry as a modem for a laptop with Rogers (most newer models), but not with Bell (yet...fingers crossed).
more info: [User] HOWTO: Use BlackBerry As Modem For Laptop!

Summary
I think if you can wait for: EV-DO and Tethering, but you still want to get rocking with the hardware you suggested, Bell Mobility is the way to go.

Using my usage as an example, you would save approximately $35/month, and sync everything Wirelessly, though you would have a bill for Bell and a bill for ExchangeMyMail. A slightly more expensive option would be Bell's Hosted Mail Option, but that would then consolidate your charges onto one bill (it's $25/month for full service, though that's still a monthly savings of $10).
more info: http://www.hostedmail.bell.ca/products.html

That doesn't even bring in the differences on the Voice Plans...

Hope that helps. Oh, and Go with Bell.

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Scully's post is very comprehensive.

Another thing to consider, depending on where you live or travel is coverage. I moved to Lanark, a small town sw of Ottawa. When i lived in Ottawa, I used Rogers but when I moved to Lanark I had to switch to Bell because Rogers reception here is poor.

If you live in a major urban center coverage is generally not an issue.
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roofus makes a good point, it does depend on your overall location when it comes to the "fringe markets".
I do a fair amount of travelling during the summer across the entire Province, and have had a cell phone for probably the last 10 years. I've been with Rogers and Bell, and found that when it came to tiny, tiny towns, like Warkworth, Ontario, Rogers was usually the front-runner. My total un-tested guesstimate would be that when venturing into one stop-sign/one stop-light towns...if only one of the 2 providers is going to work there, Rogers will win about 55-60% of the time.
But, a lot of the time, it's a crap-shoot.
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Great info so far ! I can honestly say that other than IM and emails, I don't expect to be doing much data. That being said, there's always the possibility.

I'm in Carleton Place, so that does bring up the question of coverage. Will have to research.

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Old 11-19-2005, 01:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I would stick with Rogers because I have had bad past experiences with them. However, my father got a 7250 after he retired last year with Bell, and he loves it. He makes use of the 100MB cap, as his monthly transfer is around 60MB. It is pretty much, if you need the space, go with Bell. Otherwise, Rogers has some better deals and much better service in my opinion.
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Thanks again all for your help.

Will keep you posted on how I make out.
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Great info so far ! I can honestly say that other than IM and emails, I don't expect to be doing much data. That being said, there's always the possibility.

I'm in Carleton Place, so that does bring up the question of coverage. Will have to research.

Thanks again.
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Carleton Place! we're almost neighbours! I think Carleton Place is covered pretty well by Bell and Rogers but I will check the signal strength next week when I have to go to Ottawa several times!
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I would stick with Rogers because I have had bad past experiences with them. However, my father got a 7250 after he retired last year with Bell, and he loves it. He makes use of the 100MB cap, as his monthly transfer is around 60MB. It is pretty much, if you need the space, go with Bell. Otherwise, Rogers has some better deals and much better service in my opinion.
" I would stick with Rogers because I have had bad past experiences with them"

???????? Am I missing something here ???????????
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Old 11-20-2005, 06:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The 7130e EVDO Blackberry, coming very soon to Bell, enables tethering for data.

There is no longer a usage cap with Bell. And while it's necessary to have BES for 3rd party apps, the $15 or so you'll pay for BES is far cheaper than overage charges with Rogers. Considering overage is $6 or 8 per MB with Rogers...it wouldn't take much usage above 25MB to build up a huge invoice.

Voice quality is better on Bell Blackberries....IMO. I've used both, and my callers tell me I sound better on my 7250, and they sound louder and clearer to me compared to the 7290 I had.
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Old 11-20-2005, 07:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Very interesting Jase88. The other kicker though is next Thursday I'm being given a 7290. With the corporate plan, I'd still be in it for another $499 or so to pick up a 7250. I know I could get a 7250 for $49 if I signed with Bell for 3 years, but I don't think I can obtain a cheap BB this way, and then use my corporate discount.

Other possibility is I have a friend who might be able to get me in under his company's 'corporate deal'. Anyone know if the company contracts/service levels are a little more forgiving on the Rogers side ?

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Two more questions...

1. If I was to grab a 7250 with Bell, and go 3rd party for BES... are there any limitations against the 7290, as far as latency, responsiveness for IM clients (verichat speed vs. Yahoo) etc ?

2. What do you expect the 7250 to be retailing for after the 8700 ? Bell is $49 with a 3 year deal right now, or I can pay more for the corporate contract and have more flexibility. Any suggestions on this front ?

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It's been a few months since I've been here so forgive me for any dated comments.

Hi rhinoman,

The 7250 is a great BB. If you like that form-factor and Bell's deal go for it. If you like the 7100 form factor consdier waiting for Bell's 7130e but it will cost you much more than the 7250. After using a full keyboard for so many years I don't know if I can get used to the 7130e's keyboard. It's a trade-off of speed and much nicer but smaller screen more memory, fancy ringtones, etc. vs. the 7250's full keyboard, bigger but lower-end screen of the 7250 (there are more differences but I think I caught the major ones). Good think is if you get a 7250 you'll very soon have EVDO speeds but I'm not sure it the overall experience will be the same since I believe it's processor is slower than the 7130e's.

Some facts as I know them from Bell Mobility as of last week, this might help you make a more informed decision:
- Bell's 7130e launch is only a couple weeks away and will be somewhere around $249-- $399 (might be less and will depend on commitment length of course).
- 7130e is definately EVDO and Bell is promissing 400Kbps-700Kbps with big GTA coverage (from the lake to as far north as Major MacKenzie and I don't remember the East/West boundary but it's bigger than I expected)
- when you have EVDO coverage it the "1X" switches to "1XEV" (looks cool!)
- the 7130e will be tether-able as a modem (I haven't tried this yet)
- Bell is also launching a Kyocera EVDO PC card (400Kbps-700Kbps, $99 on a 3yr term)
- Bell's 7250 will be EVDO via softare upgrade in February 2006 (I don't have this in writing but it's from a reliable source and much better than the usual promises of "Q1")
Comments on the 7130e's speed:
- 7130e Jbench2 score: 38 (radio on, and was one quick test, I'll do more later), I think my 7250 scored something like 30 and at the time was the fasted BB (many posts called it the rocket-berry, I'm sure those posts are still around, do a search)


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Thanks field172.

Any idea what the 8700 is going to retail for with Bell, and it's availability ?
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rhinoman, dont' hold your breath on an 8700 from Bell.
The comments on that were something like "late 2006", which realisitcally in my experience means 2007.
I agree that an EVDO 8700 would be the king right now! But that's just dream at the moment :(

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Sigh.. thanks again. I guess I need to weigh everything based on 7250/7290 for now.

Anyone have experience with going MDS/MES hosting with Bell for 3rd party apps. How long is the setup time, etc ?
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Once the BES company has setup your account and sent you the email address and BES password, activation over the air takes about 10 minutes.

Just remember: If you intend to use Instant Messaging frequently, you WILL go over 25MB in data every month.
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Jase88 - gotcha. If the Rogers Corporate plan has an exception for the 25meg, I'll be alright, or I'm gonna have to go with Bell.

Anyone ever have Verichat work with a recent 7250 out of the box with Bell ?
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I would go with Rogers any day.

That's just my 2 cents.
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