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Old 11-24-2005, 12:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,

I need to have push email technology but had a question.

How do devices like Sony P990, Palm Treo 650/700, and others that claim to be compatible with BB, compare with the Native RIM handhelds like the 8700?

For bulletproof email tech (which my job depends on) is there any reason to go for 'other' devices instead of native RIM ones?

A nice pro and cons list would be nice from people that use the RIMs and from those that use the other phones.

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Some phones have software called Blackberry Connect which makes them a blackberry client. The only way a device can be called blackberry compatible is if it has that software on it, which is why we have a special section here for it.
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Right, thanks.

How do those compatible devices compare to native RIM ones?
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I've never seen one myself. Perhaps the people in that area would know.
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From my understanding the Blackberry Connect, for now, only supports Email. The PIM features need to be sync'd via cable still. I could be wrong though.
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Wirelessly posted (7290: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320) BlackBerry7290/4.0.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

Push E-Mail on Palm is/has the same foundation and is basicaly the same "idea" the same principle as BB's push , the only difference is the secured servers the communications are sent (Wich are over the same secured channels most gov coms are sent).

Me personaly I'm not A fan.
However I like where things are going and I think BB's hold promise.

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Wirelessly posted (7290: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320) BlackBerry7290/4.0.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

Push E-Mail on Palm is/has the same foundation and is basicaly the same "idea" the same principle as BB's push , the only difference is the secured servers the communications are sent (Wich are over the same secured channels most gov coms are sent).

Me personaly I'm not A fan.
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If you want bulletproof e-mail delivery, head to the RIM camp. The Treo's have mail clients that only deliver mail in pull mode..
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Ok, thanks for the replies. I do like the RIM handhelds, it would be useful to finally unite the mobile phone and the PDA.
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If you want bulletproof e-mail delivery, head to the RIM camp. The Treo's have mail clients that only deliver mail in pull mode..
Verizon has a push e-mail service (wireless sync) that comes with Treo (and other models). However, I've haven't used it.
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If you really need email delivery that's bullet-proof, then don't use push email and don't use RIM- why? :
* The Blackberry only works via a GPRS connection: if you can only receive a GSM signal then all you can do is make voice calls from your Blackberry (if it's voice-enabled) as RIM do not support GSM data dial-up connections (CSD). If something goes wrong with a phone cell, it's usually the GPRS service that's the first to crash. Even with a worldwide roaming agreement, if you do a lot of travelling to out-of-the-way places you will often find yourself without a GPRS connection, and your Blackberry reduced to being a simple but handy alarm clock/calculator.
* Unlike the Blackberry, you may have to press buttons to make a Pocket PC, Palm or Symbian phone connect to email, but if the choice is a connection or no connection, so what? - if you have a PDA that is WiFi-enabled or one with an ethernet connector/landline modem, you have five ways of connecting to get your email, depending on what's available locally:
1. GPRS
2. GSM (CSD)
3. WiFi....if you're near a hot-spot
4. Ethernet connection (for many hotels)
5. Phone-line connection (for most hotels)
With the Blackberry you only get the one option. The success of Blackberry is not based on its 'bullet-proofness' but its overall reliability (GPRS coverage permitting), ease of use and ruggedness. If you want to maximise your chances of picking up email under any conditions and from just about any location, then use a Pocket PC.
RIM only have to make software changes to get the Blackberry working on CSD - what are they waiting for?
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Ethernet and Phone line connections only allow you to connect and receive email while you are at the hotel, which for the most part you won't be. WiFi in most of the world is few and far between and sacrificing reliable push email all the time for a few other semi-usefull ways of receiving unreliably for a potential issue that I you may encounter rarely if at all... that sounds silly to me...
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Hi Roy,
It depends a lot on where you go to. Agreed, not everyone needs the other 'semi-useful ways of receiving unreliably...' as you neatly and correctly put it, but I do. I'm not saying that the reliable RIM push-email be sacrificed, just that the Blackberry could do with some pop-email fallback options for those out-of-the-way places. At the moment I have to carry two devices with me, the Blackberry (my preferred choice as it is so reliable and the only mobile option I have of receiving my corporate email) and my Pocket PC for those nasty non-GPRS areas. It wouldn't take much for RIM to add CSD support, then I would consider the Blackberry 'bullet-proof' for sure, with the Pocket PC staying at home.
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