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Old 10-07-2009, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am looking at getting a BB (probably the Tour) and have a question regarding file security that I could not find in a BB manual, in the FAQ's, or by searching a number of post with the word "password."

I believe I understand how "password" works. It locks the entire BB (including the phone) - and then erases everything if the wrong password is entered too many times.

Encryption would allow me to keep my files private - unless I enter the password - and then anyone could see it all.

Is there an application out there that would allow the following?

Normal BB files, phone operation, browsing, encryption, etc would function as normal (with or without a password set); but that I could have designated information (a folder with specific files, perhaps specific web sites, etc) buried in a separately encrypted location. Ideally this encrypted location would be mirrored on either a BES server or a PC (auto update when docked).

This would allow me to store sensitive business information - and share the BB at times with my SO or occasionally others.

It would also provide much better password protection for the sensitive information because it is not that hard to see people punching in their passwords if they do it all the time.

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Old 10-07-2009, 08:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Two applications come to mind, but I'm not sure if they are exactly what you are looking for. There is Ascendo Data Vault that you can store a lot of sensitive info like password, logins, and such. PocketDay Lists allows you to create lists and sections that you can protect with a password.

http://www.blackberryapps.com/produc...for-Blackberry

http://www.blackberryapps.com/produc...ocketDay-Lists

Both have free trials, so you could see if they meet your needs. Check in our apps store, like at upper left side of page, there may be others. Seems like there is an app for encypting folders but I don't recall the name.
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You really are so much better off just password protecting your entire BlackBerry. That way, no worries if it falls into the wrong hands. It's really not designed for sharing. Your SO should have her/his own BlackBerry. Mine is set to auto-lock after 1/2 hour of inactivity.

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If you are on BES, then I'm sure you IT admin could set something up, but the easiest method would be to lock the entire device. Just a quick question, what exactly is SO? Also, why would the SO want to look at your sensitive business information.
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daphne: Data vault, ewallet, daylist, etc seem to be largely restricted to account #s, passwords, and other very small files. I am thinking of word documents, memos, small spreadsheets, and pictures (Client data - business presentations). I.e.; I want to move many of my "one on one" business functions to a mobile phone.

Rambo & miamirulz: I consider locking the device equivalent to the front door on a home or business. It prevents relatively honest people from entering. However, if they enter - you don't leave your valuables lying around in open sight - and most businesses actually have a small safe (or lockbox) where they store certain things. On computers - certain applications require passwords to enter - and they encrypt folders - and sometimes entire hard drives (and there are dozens of encryption programs out there to do this on a desktop or laptop).

I also consider locking the device to be less secure because then you are always entering the password to do anything. It would look really awkward to be specifically shielding your BB from any view every time you wished to use it. Good observers will soon see you enter your password - this is not that hard to do. Note that a common form of theft, now going out of style due to the number of cell phones, is for people to steel calling card numbers when a person enters them into a payphone at airports, etc.

Security is done in layers.

I also find that just like my PC, there are times I allow my SO, and others, to use my phone. Loose lips sink ships - or can damage a business relationship (and when working with one on one with clients; some details should not be shared unless another person really needs to know it Ė and in some cases there are legal requirements to maintain privacy). Iíve got no problems with my SO digging through my other stuff.

I can set up, or hire, BES - but I have still not identified an appropriate application. Considering all the trouble that RIM has gone through to make the BBs secure in their data transmission mode so they can be used for businessÖ I find it strange that I cannot easily identify what is considered normal business security features for computers. Either that or Iím having a BF on internet search words (although Iíve found dozens of programs for computers).

If I canít figure out how to secure the data better than a normal BB password protection level Ė then Iím not sure a BB provides what I am looking for.

Have a great day,

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I find it strange that I cannot easily identify what is considered normal business security features for computers. Either that or Ixxx8217;m having a BF on internet search words (although Ixxx8217;ve found dozens of programs for computers).
It's strange to you because the BB approach doesn't assume that a BB is shared. Either the device is secured or it isn't. That said, there have been other inquiring into securing sections of the BB separately but I can't think of any relevant 3rd party apps to do this off the top of my head.

Even in the various environments that I've worked in we don't share computers so I'm not sure that "normal business" for you is normal business for others.

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I also consider locking the device to be less secure because then you are always entering the password to do anything.
It's not really. I use a 2 minute auto lock. If you're frequently using the BB for a period of time it doesn't make sense to have it constantly locking. You can also set the "lock upon holstering" option. Those 2 options will keep you from constantly entering the password while offering a reasonable level of security (IMO anyway).

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Thanks takeshi:

I am glad that I'm not the only one looking for the next level of security.

While I would password protect the device - I would always assume that the first level will fail - knowing that at time I share my phone (and I bet most mobile phone users do at times Ė but have never connected the security issues with that). Anyone who is into higher level security items assumes the same (and the most secure items have multiple levels or other devices in play).

I will be likely be away from the forum till mid next week due to other obligations (a very busy weekend+ - but should be fun too).

I'll check back then. Hopefully, someone will know of a solution by then. I'm trying to identify all the key software I would get up front before I plunge - or perhaps I will have to look at other options.

I hope you all also have a great weekend.

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You might consider one device strictly for business and use a very secure device password, use content protection, encrypt documents on the media card; and have a second device for personal use and sharing with SO and others. If you use a complex device password, it's highly unlikely the first level of security would fail. You can set the number of password attempts also -- you could set it to 5 attempts, or less, but just make sure you don't forget the pw.

Or maybe a netbook would better meet your needs, where you could use full disc encyption or something like PGP for file and folder encryption.
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