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Old 11-13-2009, 12:24 AM   #21 (permalink)
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huh? I thought you were arguing that RIM needs to evolve more for the consumer, personal user?

Either way, RIM still holds the larger marketshare of the two and sales continue to increase.

Could it be better? Yes, but RIM still has a fine line to walk with the hard business user and corporate/government user who requires a locked down device memory, a space that can be wiped remotely and is secure.

Either way, you're not in reality if you don't think RIM is evolving from the 7280 and the 7100.

Maybe just not at the pace required by little Sara Kate for her 20gb of rap, no.
no, no...

I was arguing RIM needs to change the way they handle memory allocation...with space like 256mb...that is pre-historic

regarding market share...we were arguing what costitutes more of RIM's user base....business users or individual users..(BES versus BIS)
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:28 AM   #22 (permalink)
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its not only a rim problem.

devices are made interesting.

most devices today in 2009 are made with 256 ram, this goes for droid, iphone, blackberry, windows mobile.

then comes storage.

while an iphone can hold 8/16/32 megs of apps, it can only run on 256 ram.
most phones, less the iphone only use ram, which means loads os/apps its were its stored in.

some offer running off an sd card, but this brings up data bus speeds, ram cards read writes and slow downs.

most phone mfg really dont gear to compete with lets say psp/ nintendo ds or other portable video game system.

most phone offer space for 3rd party functions of communications. where it be im, facebook, myspace etc.

the problem with sd cards is class of card, read/write etc and lag.

now adding flash ram, or Flash EEPROM ram to a device in large capacity 8/16/128 gb is possible but, these devices will only run the apps in 128 / 256 ram.

sorta like your pc, you have a limited amount of ram where programs run before the os swaps the unused to disc.

the mobile market of a phone still needs does not have the hardware, or cpu /gpu power to offer an actual mobile platform to do both right.

with the new snap dragon/ tegra video grafix for smart phones and crappy batteries is it worth it even to offer a device that dies in 30 min?
Thanks for that explanation!

I just wish RIM had a better option than just archiving apps...I would love to install huge apps such as (netters anatomy), but it just isnt possible on RIM yet
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:47 AM   #23 (permalink)
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yea..RIM is definitely has their marketshare of smartphones...but they will have to evolve...
Yup. You're not the first armchair analyst to make this sort of comment. We've seen the same statements made over and over and over even since the B&W BB days. RIM has been evolving the Blackberry platform. They will continue to evolve. You're disappointed because what you're expecting is an overnight revolution -- not evolution.

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What do you guys think?
They could take the Droid approach and have the actual app stored in device memory while app resources are in the larger memory card space. Who knows what they have planned though. I don't see the point of a speculative thread like this unless you have technical solutions to offer rather than another pointless "How hard can it be to XXX (even though I know nothing about what it would truly take to implement XXX and the implications that it would have)?" thread... RIM's not very vocal about it's research and development so the only practical conclusion is "'let's wait and see".

If the memory issue is really a major issue and RIM does nothing about it then the market will respond appropriately. Keep in mind that the market doesn't always decide solely on technical merit.

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Old 11-13-2009, 12:05 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yup. You're not the first armchair analyst to make this sort of comment. We've seen the same statements made over and over and over even since the B&W BB days. RIM has been evolving the Blackberry platform. They will continue to evolve. You're disappointed because what you're expecting is an overnight revolution -- not evolution.


They could take the Droid approach and have the actual app stored in device memory while app resources are in the larger memory card space. Who knows what they have planned though. I don't see the point of a speculative thread like this unless you have technical solutions to offer rather than another pointless "How hard can it be to XXX (even though I know nothing about what it would truly take to implement XXX and the implications that it would have)?" thread... RIM's not very vocal about it's research and development so the only practical conclusion is "'let's wait and see".

If the memory issue is really a major issue and RIM does nothing about it then the market will respond appropriately. Keep in mind that the market doesn't always decide solely on technical merit.
awesome response!

If you take a look at a graph predicting smart phone usage in the past and what is predicted, you will notice that it is exponential.

Also, if you take a look at a graph of data speeds and what is projected, you will also notice that it is exponential. We are on the verge of approaching nationwide 4G speeds in the next year or 2...and 4g is blazzzzzing

If you put these 2 observations together, RIM had a lot of time to evolve in the past from the old BW phones. The demand simply wasn't there for them to make anything better

With the expanding smartphone userbase and wireless speeds to accompany them, RIM will have to start evolving much, much faster

Their recent collaboration with WebKit, Adobe for Flash, and OpenGL shows they are recognizing the need to evolve quicker....but they need to solve this memory issue first...

PS: Why does it matter if I do or don't know the technical aspects of improving a RIM phone??? that is why RIM hires the engineers to make the changes and not me....
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Their recent collaboration with WebKit, Adobe for Flash, and OpenGL shows they are recognizing the need to evolve quicker....but they need to solve this memory issue first..
OK, so RIM is evolving.

Thank you.

"Quick enough" is a matter of opinion.
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OK, so RIM is evolving.

Thank you.

"Quick enough" is a matter of opinion.

Yea..they are evolving...but the memory issue will be a bottleneck.....heck, I could install and run programs on SD cards on my old Treo 700p (though, it would take a little longer to load)...why can't RIM make that happen yet?
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I don't see the point of a speculative thread like this unless you have technical solutions to offer
I don't see the point to that response ....

Regardless...this thread was more about discussion on the memory issue...not finding technical ways to solve it ourselves....that is for RIM engineers to figure out
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:15 AM   #28 (permalink)
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It was offered about 20 frames back... you don't like the candor?
Even this oldster noob is beginning to get it.
I embarass myself from time to time and get appropiately admonished... no foul.
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"I don't see the point of a speculative thread like this unless you have technical solutions to offer"

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I don't see the point to that response ....

Regardless...this thread was more about discussion on the memory issue...not finding technical ways to solve it ourselves....that is for RIM engineers to figure out

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Old 11-16-2009, 01:01 AM   #29 (permalink)
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You can have lots of memory but id rather the industry works on making a better battery so when i use a app it doesn't kill my phone in an 1hr
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It was offered about 20 frames back... you don't like the candor?
Even this oldster noob is beginning to get it.
I embarass myself from time to time and get appropiately admonished... no foul.
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"I don't see the point of a speculative thread like this unless you have technical solutions to offer"

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I don't see the point to that response ....

Regardless...this thread was more about discussion on the memory issue...not finding technical ways to solve it ourselves....that is for RIM engineers to figure out
Take a look at this thread and see how civil the conversation is.....

What Will RIM Do About Memory Problems On The BlackBerry? - BlackBerry Forums at CrackBerry.com

I think it's just the group of folks that use this site that are a little "jumpy"? or "overprotective" of RIM?
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:33 AM   #31 (permalink)
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As in "they agree with me so we must be right" and people who disagree are wrong, uncivil and jumpy.

Got it.
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As in "they agree with me so we must be right" and people who disagree are wrong, uncivil and jumpy.

Got it.
Nah....more like they are open to a civil discussion

Even looks like the mods are baboons here.....screw this site

What a bunch of unprofessional turds!

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Wow. Must be nice to be right all the time.

Schmuck.
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The CrackBerry discussion looks like a bunch of like-minded fanboys shooting sticky wads on each other and high-fiving themselves. But whatever. If that's your thing, go with it and be at peace.
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Wow. Must be nice to be right all the time.

Schmuck.
LOL..even the mods talk back....wonderful...douchebag

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The CrackBerry discussion looks like a bunch of like-minded fanboys shooting sticky wads on each other and high-fiving themselves. But whatever. If that's your thing, go with it and be at peace.

Yea..at least people aren't old dinosaurs in there saying "welll...its a business unit" for every little excuse for improvement
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But....but....but....it IS a business unit.
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You actually hit all the forums and posted the same silly post on each?

omg, like a little bratty 8th grader running around the junior high just trying to get something started.

And your post sat on CB dead in the water for three days because no one even cared.

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I am not a mod - READ CAREFULLY. I can even disagree with you. Imagine that.

I thought you were leaving?

Again, don't attack because people disagree with you. That doesn't work well when you get a job.
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Man,
I got a few thousand posts to catch up on this one. However I have honed condescendence to an art form.

But this has still been a good spot for info. I've been a unreg'd lurker for some time. Just thought I'd jump in on the fun.

Going today to look at a "Bold" 9700.... hmmm
My 9630 could use wifi at times. I'm surprised at the number of lower priced BB models with wifi capabilities. Live, Learn, but mostly Live.
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Turds, baboons and douchebags?

Sorry eyecon, you really don't fit in here well.
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