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Old 11-12-2009, 10:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What Will RIM Do About Memory Problems On The BlackBerry?

"As many of you may already know, memory has been a point of contention for BlackBerry users for quite some time. To get straight to the point, there simply isn’t enough of it. Sure, the newest devices have 16 gig media cards and 2 gigs of internal memory, but, you really only have 256 MB of application
space. Once you factor in the OS you are probably only talking about a 100 MB or so from which to install and run applications and if you don’t have a BlackBerry Storm2 or better, the problem is dramatically worse.


The big hit at the BlackBerry Developer’s Conference
this week was OpenGL ES which brings 3D graphics support to BlackBerry applications. Starting with the BlackBerry Storm2 and the BlackBerry Curve 8530, developers are going to deliver applications and games that rival what you see on the the iPhone. The problem for RIM, however, is that 3D graphics take up space. They take up a lot of space and the BlackBerrys antiquated way of handling memory is going to be a huge bottleneck.

BlackBerry App World’s ability to archive rarely used applications and store them on your media card allowing you to reclaim that precious application memory is great feature, but, it gets really old really quick when you have do it with apps you use regularly simply because you are out of memory.

RIM needs to fix this…"


What do you guys think?


This is the only reason why I have Iphone Envy...because they can use their entire harddrive to install applications, which allows you to have much better applications that don't always rely on data (for example, the entire Wikipedia on ure Iphone without using data)
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I don't think this is an issue for most of RIM's customers. They never designed their devices as multimedia powerhouses as their core audience has traditionally been business users. The new devices have plenty of memory for most users. And keeping your media on a media storage card really helps alleviate the strain of keeping all but a ridiculous number of third-party programs.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't think this is an issue for most of RIM's customers. They never designed their devices as multimedia powerhouses as their core audience has traditionally been business users. The new devices have plenty of memory for most users. And keeping your media on a media storage card really helps alleviate the strain of keeping all but a ridiculous number of third-party programs.
If RIM wants to compete directly with the Iphone (ie. storm), then they will have to do something about the memory issue

RIM isn't targeting the business user anymore; it's the individual user now...BIS is about 5x more popular than BES...that is proof enough
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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As stated before, this is not a device intended to be a multimedia phone. Business users dont have that issue.
Although they "seem" to be pointing at non business users, they still have and intend to be a business tool.
Dont kid yourself into thinking they are missing their market.
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As stated before, this is not a device intended to be a multimedia phone. Business users dont have that issue.


As stated before, RIM no longer intends for the devices to be just business phones and they want it to be a multimedia phone....Why do you think they are taking a crack at OpenGL???????

did you even read the article??
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Market share. Sorry I dont read
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Market share. Sorry I dont read
BIS has 5x more subscibers than BES..market share favors the individual user rather than the business uer

You should read....then maybe you would post more informed posts
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Sure and maybe you will read more on this site and understand the level of knowledge here before you step on your tongue.

Another suggestion. Stick you BB in a bowl of Jello. Take a look and you will see multimedia wonders.

Then lighten up and enjoy the site.
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Sure and maybe you will read more on this site and understand the level of knowledge here before you step on your tongue.

Another suggestion. Stick you BB in a bowl of Jello. Take a look and you will see multimedia wonders.

Then lighten up and enjoy the site.

what a pointless post...I hope you don't consider yourself an asset to this community. You clearly have not added anything to this thread

You lighten up...face the facts...RIM is becoming more multimedia oriented
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Go to bed !! you have to go to school in the morning and If your mommy catches you still up your going to get it.
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Go to bed !! you have to go to school in the morning and If your mommy catches you still up your going to get it.
LOL..... the immaturity is sooo transparent...

As I figured...you're one of those "trolls" on here
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...meanwhile, if you two are through with your pillow fight...

eyecon, it's obvious you haven't picked up a Storm2.

RIM is doing something about "it", they've doubled the device memory and the media on this device rocks.

8900, 9700, 9630 -- ditto.
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Thank You!!

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...meanwhile, if you two are through with your pillow fight...

eyecon, it's obvious you haven't picked up a Storm2.

RIM is doing something about "it", they've doubled the device memory and the media on this device rocks.

8900, 9700, 9630 -- ditto.
It's obvious that you are assuming and you are wrong..My GF just got the storm 2 and its in my hands at the moment

Doesn't the storm 2 still only have 256mb of installable app memory? (Flash)

I know it has 2gb internal memory, but you can't install programs onto it...it's just to archive apps (Which isn't comparable)

I am no Iphone fan boy....but it is very impressive that these devices can have up to 8 or 16gb of internal memory, which allows the installation of Apps....

My GF's old Iphone was able to install a Wiki app that was about 2Gb in size...try doing that on a RIM device!

If RIM wants to have Open GL..which is 3d graphics and very memory intensive, it will have to switch to something like the Iphone for memory allocation

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just read that start to finish... lol, thanks

Wow. you gotta love it!
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Talking about market share, I would say RIM is definitely holding it's own.

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just read that start to finish... lol, thanks

Wow. you gotta love it!
lol..i know...you gotta love them trolls
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Talking about market share, I would say RIM is definitely holding it's own.

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yea..RIM is definitely has their marketshare of smartphones...but they will have to evolve...they can't have memory in the megabytes if they want to be competitive...

the marketshare we were talking about was the percentages of users who have BB that use it for business
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yea..RIM is definitely has their marketshare of smartphones...but they will have to evolve...they can't have memory in the megabytes if they want to be competitive...

the marketshare we were talking about was the percentages of users who have BB that use it for business
huh? I thought you were arguing that RIM needs to evolve more for the consumer, personal user?

Either way, RIM still holds the larger marketshare of the two and sales continue to increase.

Could it be better? Yes, but RIM still has a fine line to walk with the hard business user and corporate/government user who requires a locked down device memory, a space that can be wiped remotely and is secure.

Either way, you're not in reality if you don't think RIM is evolving from the 7280 and the 7100.

Maybe just not at the pace required by little Sara Kate for her 20gb of rap, no.
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And eyecon, you can chill on the troll crap now, it's getting old, that user left the convo way back and you're whining.
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its not only a rim problem.

devices are made interesting.

most devices today in 2009 are made with 256 ram, this goes for droid, iphone, blackberry, windows mobile.

then comes storage.

while an iphone can hold 8/16/32 megs of apps, it can only run on 256 ram.
most phones, less the iphone only use ram, which means loads os/apps its were its stored in.

some offer running off an sd card, but this brings up data bus speeds, ram cards read writes and slow downs.

most phone mfg really dont gear to compete with lets say psp/ nintendo ds or other portable video game system.

most phone offer space for 3rd party functions of communications. where it be im, facebook, myspace etc.

the problem with sd cards is class of card, read/write etc and lag.

now adding flash ram, or Flash EEPROM ram to a device in large capacity 8/16/128 gb is possible but, these devices will only run the apps in 128 / 256 ram.

sorta like your pc, you have a limited amount of ram where programs run before the os swaps the unused to disc.

the mobile market of a phone still needs does not have the hardware, or cpu /gpu power to offer an actual mobile platform to do both right.

with the new snap dragon/ tegra video grafix for smart phones and crappy batteries is it worth it even to offer a device that dies in 30 min?
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