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Old 11-27-2009, 12:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, so I have no idea why someone would want a BB w/out data, but go with me. My father is not a big cell phone user, occasionally he does. But his phone just broke, and not eligible for upgrade, but I have my Curve that I no longer use....I know online in his account I can activate the Curve onto his account....but will it let me without the data plan, or will it not complete the process because I am not changing his plan? I know you cannot buy a new one without adding the plan, but to activate a used one??

Just wondering if anyone knows. Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-27-2009, 12:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can't do it.
Verizon requires a BlackBerry Data Plan on an activated BlackBerry device.
If you don't have the plan already, one will be automatically added.
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Old 11-27-2009, 02:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The success rate for people trying to activate a BlackBerry on Verizon (and Sprint) without a BB data plan remains exactly 0.
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In Canada you can, we only need the data plan on the account to subsidize the hardware, if it was bought on the customers own then they can just put their sim card in it and use it without.

Are these cdma networks? Seems really tough on their customers. If they bought the phone themself, they should be able to use it with the same plan.
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Lets hope all carriers don't start automatically adding a data plan. It's nice to be able to switch devices for just voice use.
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Many/most carriers are going in this direction.

AT&T just started requiring a data plan for BlackBerry devices and other smartphones activated after a certain date.
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I believe if you get a subsidy on hardware that is a smartphone, you should take a data plan, it makes business sense to require the consumer to purchase the features needed to use the phone to the full capacity. Especially with hundreds of dollars in subsidy on the device.

I don't agree with making someone take a feature when they bought the hardware themselves, at that point I think it should be up to the consumer, as long as they didn't get a deal on the phone through the company.
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The big US carriers like simple blanket rules. What they've all gone to is requiring data plans with BlackBerrys, no exceptions. Many are requiring data plans with other devices as well. It's the future, and I would expect it to spread to Canada in the near future. It's an unfortunate reality of the times.
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I don't know how we'd ever enforce it. If someone switches sim from one phone to the other we don't know/take notice. Only when doing a hardware upgrade or activation are we prompted to add the data plan with a smartphone. Or the customer pays 200 bucks extra to get it without.

With cdma it may be different though, I'm not sure. I could see it being enforced that way.
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Device type is known by the carrier for every connection. Enforcement would be very easy.
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I don't know how we'd ever enforce it. If someone switches sim from one phone to the other we don't know/take notice.
The IMEI number of the device will determine the model number.
(CDMA carriers use the ESN/MEID to determine model number.)

If model = BlackBerry then add appropriate data plan.
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:28 AM   #12 (permalink)
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To be honest, I don't see my carrier ever doing that, also from my experience working for telecommunications.

We only require data plans for subsidy. I figured with cdma and the esn it may be a system limitation that forces a data attatch. People can use their bb's as voice only and just don't add their imei number on gms networks here often. I just don't see a reason for the gsm companies to enforce that unless there is a subsidy for the hardware.

That was my point, sorry if I confused anyone.

Edit: A further point to my note, my carrier has a "Data day pass" option for those with smartphones who don't subscribe to a data plan. It's 2.99 for 24 hours or 20 mb, whichever comes first. So those with smartphones who purchased them outright, or bought them from friends can use data without signing up for monthly data service. For consumer phones that use WAP browsing, its 1 dollar a day.

That's another reason I don't see Canadian companies enforcing a data attatch for someone who didn't get the hardware subsidized for them by that company.

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What will change their minds is seeing it succeed in the U.S. and seeing the increased revenues this policy generates. If sales of new BBs/smartphones falls off noticeably with the emergence of this policy, perhaps Canadian telcos will not follow suit. Early figures in the U.S. point to a lot of grumbling but not much consumer movement. Folks like me, who already have a BlackBerry data plan, won't care much if suddenly our plans are "required". At Sprint, the biggest complaints are coming form folks with legacy plans like the SERO plan, who would like to get a BlackBerry without a BB data plan, but refuse to do so because it means giving up their old plan.

Where this policy of requiring data plans has hampered sales the most seems to be with the Palm Pre (WebOS) and perhaps Android devices as phones with these operating systems also require an Everything Data Planxxx8482;. (Windows Mobile devices at Sprint have no such requirement) BlackBerry has an entrenched user base and some strong momentum, but these other platforms are early in their lives and already fight an uphill battle. To them, any roadblock to adoption is significant.

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It's true, we usually follow suit with the US, even though operation is a bit different. I understand enforcing data for a subsidy, I just don't get why a company should do it to a person who purchased the phone themselves. That's why I'm glad we have the data day pass option.

That's why my carrier went from yearly upgrades to every two years, to follow suit with the norm in the US, as well as the fact that no other carrier was doing this in Canada (Telus I believe gives no hardware upgrades and bell might be once every two years)
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