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Old 12-21-2009, 09:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, first post here but am really stuck trying to get UMA working.

I have a Linksys Router WAG54GS ver1.1

A BB Curve 8520

I have connected to the wifi and have an always on connection so if I am in my house I am connected to the wifi.

My network provider Orange have said that UMA is available through my broadband provider...Talktalk

I have tried altering various settings on the router to no success.

Apparently the phone is set up for it and UMA is set to automatically be used if Wifi is available.

Anyone shed any light on this issue?

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Old 12-21-2009, 12:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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When that happens, pulling the power on my router for a minute seems to help. Pulling the battery on the BB, or doing wifi diagnostics on it, does not fix it. I don't know why it works that way on my 8520.
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Hmm, cheers for reply. Have just tried that. Still nothing. I have never had it working. Will have to try it on a different wireless network see what happens too I think.

When UMA is enabled should it always have the icon under WIFI on the home screen or does it only come on when you make calls?
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Old 12-21-2009, 02:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Maybe get in touch with somebody from this thread: Orange UMA in UK - working
The OP had it working via TalkTalk.
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Old 12-21-2009, 03:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Did not mean to, didnt see there was a technical section for UMA.
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Have tried all sorts, followed all the guides on the forum and still not even getting UMA show up on the phone! Help please!!!
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I'm also having the same problem - I have an 8520, an Orange SIM with BIS bundle, a D-LINK router and Orange ISP.

My Wi-fi symbol lights up and I can browse, use Blackberry messenger and receive e-mail with the Mobile network turned off. I can also use the Yahoo IM app no problems too.

But I don't get a UMA symbol. When I try to make a call, it says my radio is off, do I want to turn it back on?

I also can't see any mention of UMA in any of my setup/options screens, so I'm wondering if the 8520 (or my particular model) actually supports UMA? My O/S in the About screen is v4.6.1.314 (platform 4.2.0.135).

It would be great if you could update this thread with any progress you might make - I'll do the same.

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Old 12-23-2009, 07:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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purestgreen, is yours an Orange branded 8520, or a unlocked/SIM free or even a different networks branded 8520?
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Wirelessly posted

I don't know for sure - I bought it from someone (an individual, not a shop) off of eBay. It has no logo on it, and is not simlocked to any network.



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Then its likely a SIM free BB, and it won't have UMA.
Just like the 8900 for t-mobile US has uma, but for t-mobile UK it doesn't, because t-mobile UK doesn't have UMA.

Only Orange branded 8520's will have UMA, because they actually have the ability for UMA.
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Turn off any MAC filtering if you are doing so and turn off all encryption on the router. Then do set up WiFi on your BB. Once connected you can turn encryption back on and do set up wifi and enter the key on your BB.

With the router opened up you can make sure it is not interfearing in any way.
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Then its likely a SIM free BB, and it won't have UMA.
Just like the 8900 for t-mobile US has uma, but for t-mobile UK it doesn't, because t-mobile UK doesn't have UMA.

Only Orange branded 8520's will have UMA, because they actually have the ability for UMA.
Good answer! He didn't say where he got the BB.
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I agree with Midnight Draven. UMA must be supported by both the carrier and the device. My feeling is you are out of luck and cannot make it work.
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My point was relevant only to purestgreen, and not the OP.
The OP mentions that they have seen options for UMA; whereas purestgreen didn't (and thats because its not Orange branded).
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Hi there,

Thanks guys to the input. I'll accept that my device does not support UMA, but still a little confused as to why - any searching on the net for reviews / specs of the 8520 state that the model supports UMA. Nothing seems to go into the 'if it's branded etc.

I'm a bit annoyed because the research I did gave me the impression that all 8520's supported UMA.

Why would unbranded models not support UMA? Surely if it's unbranded, and therefore possible to use on any network, it should support UMA in case the network the device is connected to, also supports UMA?

Are you saying that handsets of the same 'model number' but different brands actually have different hardware in them (this question applies to all mobile handsets, not just BB 8520s)?
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Its firmware (not software i.e. OS) that dictates whether you can use UMA or not.
The models for Orange have had it enabled by Blackberry, because Orange have UMA.

Theres no point in enabling it on all devices when actually few networks (around the world) actually use UMA.

It may appear strange, but I guess, that if a carrier doesnt support UMA, enabling only confuses people trying to use it, when its not available.

If its an unbranded sim free model from amazon etc, it would be just the standard model, that although you could use it on a network that has UMA, if you want UMA, you have to have a carrier branded for it to work anyway.
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OK - so this might be going against the normal grain, but is it possible to brand (or re-brand) an unbranded phone? Or is it possible to put new firmware on to the handset that enables UMA but doesn't enforce any network sim-locking?

I'd be tempted to brand the phone to Orange to enable UMA, and then unbrand it again if I ever chose to move network - do you know if this is possible?

Thanks again for your help!
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You can do this if you are brave enough to get to the 'Engineering Screens' and do some configuration. You can trash your BB on those menus.

You will need a code to access the engineering screens and you should consider the legality of that as well!

...but it can be done

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OK - so this might be going against the normal grain, but is it possible to brand (or re-brand) an unbranded phone? Or is it possible to put new firmware on to the handset that enables UMA but doesn't enforce any network sim-locking?

I'd be tempted to brand the phone to Orange to enable UMA, and then unbrand it again if I ever chose to move network - do you know if this is possible?

Thanks again for your help!
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