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Old 12-15-2005, 03:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My two bosses recently had me purchase them 2 BB 7250's. We have an exchange server here at the office that we use with outlook 2003.

Everytime i try to look up how to do something, all i find is ... must be on BES to do this...

for example:
I can't sync their calendars, notes, etc wirelessly
I cant accept, reject or send meeting requests through outlook
I cant open email attachments ie. excell even though i have mini excell intalled (the redirector doesntt seem to support attachements)

The DO NOT want to be on BES, and ive been told it would't work anyway because of our exchange server here in the office.

We are using a redirector but they take thier laptops with them most of the time and therefore the redirector doesnt work. (I think im goign to try to set up their outlook on two spare desktops we have in the office instead)

My question is: is it worth it to have a blackberry if you do not have access to BES? It jsut seems like everything i try to do requires it..

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmm. I'm not sure how well the redirector works. I used to be on a BES and am currently not. I really don't notice much of a difference, but I use BIS and forward my email, which works fairly well, and then sync to Outlook with the cable.

Hopefully someone else can be more of a help.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think you can find allot of information here about the topic, but I believe your answer may be "no", for what you want it to do. Your biggest issue is wireless sync, which I believe can only happen with a BES.

On the other hand, I have a BB like many that has no BES, I have my email forwarded to my BB addy and sync my outlook with a usb cable for contacts and calendar info when I want, and that works for me.

I know I have been in organizations that when someone scheduled a meeting it would send an email to each attendee and it was there responsibility to add it to their calendar, so that would still work without a BES, but someone can't put something on another person calander and expect it to show up on their BB without a BES.

On the other hand, maybe you could just get them to talk to each other and you can go to the beach (currently 75 degrees here at DisneyWorld)
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It is definitely worth it to me and my 5 coworkers that use BBs without a BES. We have a dedicated Windows box set up with all our redirectors running on it. We use that to forward our Exchange mail, and all my other mail gets funneled through GMail which forwards immediately to my BB. It would indeed be nice to have Calendar sync and stuff with the redirector (and I know it's possible -- you can access Outlook data like that through an API, but of course RIM chooses not to so you buy the BES), but the main issue is the email and that works just fine with the redirector. I'm looking forward to getting OS 4.1 on my 7290 so I can setup Bluetooth sync and it will sync the calendar/todo/notes and stuff whenever I walk into my house
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If the BES-only features are critical to you then yes, you're going to need the BES. However, the Blackberry is quite capable even without a BES.

How would a BES server "not work with your Exchange server in the office"?
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Your bosses want BES functionality.

Easy way: buy BES.
Hard way: invent workarounds and get sucked in supporting them. Pain in the back.

You choose.
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I highly recommend BES. It allows for seamless integration with Exchange.
Price it out--I don't think you'll find its as expensive as you thought. Especially if you already have all of your BB's with one carrier (some carriers offer deals if you subscribe to your handheld service through them).
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I would recomend the BES as well. But if money is the issue then the BIS is the way to go. Do not use the redirector use the BIS service. is does what i need it to do with one exception (sent items in my outlook) We have 8 active BB's in our fleet. Yes we are going to a BES but we need to update our servers.
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Well it is sure worth it to me and my employees. BIS keeps us in contact with both each other and our customers who live to email.

Worth it? You better beleive it!!!
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Why can't you use BES Express?

https://www.blackberry.com/express/?cp=ILC-BB1

1 free CAL with the download (which is free), buy 1 more and you should be set. No big deal to set up, and although it's technically unsupported, you could probably get away with running it on your Exchange server.
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i'm able to pull my email through the OWA client, which is great since Tmo's BIS 2.0 allows me to use that FROM address. Yeah, I can't sync my calendar remotely, but the email's where it's at.
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Yes! USe the damn blackberry!

Try BIS, but more importantly, try the BES express edition! You have nothing stopping you.. free for the first user, $100 each additional user. If your bosses won't sign for that they must be real tightwads..

it will do everything you want to do, and more. Google maps? priceless..

Plus the BB's other benefits:
* Durable (drop it, kick it, hell, dropkick it and it will keep on ticking)
* Efficient (uses very little data compared to other devices -- saves you money)
* Secure (highly encrypted and full of security options)
* Reliable -- blackberry service is SUPER reliable and rarely has problems. Plus getting e-mail in real time is a great feature..

Basically, in the long term, you'll spend less, have less downtime, and it'll do all the wireless features you want at very little cost, especially with BES express.

Good luck,
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I agree with the others, get BES Express. I've recently installed this for a customer on Windows 2003 Server. I've done BES installs on Exchange 2000/2003 boxes before as well without any problems, we even have BES installed on a virtual server, runs like a dream.
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Ditto with everyone else with the BES and good recommendation on getting BES Express. I'm using BES Express for my little side company im starting and i already have a BB for that business and the Express comes in handy with working my calendar and contacts!

I don't even use my outlook on my computer anymore, if hardly any. My Blackberry has made me use the laptop and desktop far less and more productive, that even thinking about another phone with WM5 or snazzy treo like features, just don't do much for me any more.

It' s a simple 7250 and making sure BES and Exchange work well.. and you'll be in blackberry Nirvana!

It just really irks me that boss's and higher ups can't realize that at least investing some money, and being less incoherent and more frugal is what is making them look stupid! hahah
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Why can't you use BES Express?

https://www.blackberry.com/express/?cp=ILC-BB1

1 free CAL with the download (which is free), buy 1 more and you should be set. No big deal to set up, and although it's technically unsupported, you could probably get away with running it on your Exchange server.
I was going to suggest the same thing, BUT you can actually have up to 15 CALs on BES Express for what I would think would be relatively reasonable charge. From the link above:
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BlackBerry Enterprise Server™ Express is for the company that wants to get up and running quickly with BlackBerry Enterprise Server, and includes one Client Access License (CAL), with the ability to add up to 14 additional CALs and/or upgrade to BlackBerry Enterprise Server at any time.
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  • One free, full version download of the BlackBerry Enterprise Server v4.1 Express (suitable for 1 to 15 users – 1 user included) to install on your corporate email server for Microsoft® Exchange, IBM® Lotus® Domino® or Novell® GroupWise®
  • The opportunity to purchase up to an additional 14 CALs towards the product's 15 CAL limit
  • Two free months of Tx0 Technical Support Services (where available)
  • The opportunity to purchase the Upgrade, which adds five additional CALs and removes the fifteen-CAL limit
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The BES is nice if you have lots of contacts like we do at the university. I can look anybody up under contacts but don't have to keep them on my personal contacts in outlook for the bb if I don't want to. When you're talking hundreds if not thousands of not only email addresses, but phone numbers building locations, etc. - its worth it JMO
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You should definitely check with your service provider. We got a deal with Nextel where we purchased 20 BB 7520's and got the BES software with 20 licenses free!
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That is right. on http://www.blackberry.com there is an ad somewhere where you can get a BES express that includes up to 20 CAL's.
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This was not BES express, it was a full-blown BES.
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