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I realize it's nobody's job here to decide what type of phone is best for someone, but I'm looking for some insight here. A recent blog post really got me thinking about whether I should go with the new Bold 9650 or jump to a Droid when my 2-year VZW contract is up in 2 weeks:

http://www.techranter.com/?p=119

Much of his complaints against BBs are nothing new, but I think that the way he wrote it and the insight he gave into the Droid really opened my eyes.

Below is a list of things that I'm still trying to iron out:

1. I'm so used to BlackBerry. The look of it, the feel of it, the smell of it. When I find something comfortable, I stick with it. Why switch? Would it be an easy transition?
2. Buttons. In my mind, I need buttons. There is a Droid slider that has buttons, but it seems clunky. Could I handle a touch screen?
3. Browser. Perhaps the most irritating thing about BlackBerry. The browser is AWFUL. What can a Droid do for me in this area?
4. Where is Droid headed? Is there a particular device coming out soon that would be worth waiting for?
5. Business appeal. BlackBerry clearly has it. I'm a businessman, and business gets done on a BlackBerry. E-mail is fantastic. It's fast. Can you copy/paste easily on a touch screen Droid? I use this feature daily
6. Calendar/Address book management. Can these be synced up with Outlook, for example? BlackBerry is flawless for me in this area.
7. GPS. Mind-blowing? Simple? Reliable? GPS always seems to crap out when I need it the most on my BlackBerry.
9. Multi-tasking. I'm constantly switching back and forth between apps/functions. Can the Droid do this? Does it get bogged down?

Is anyone else finding themselves at a crossroads like this? I have 3 friends that are relentlessly trying to sell me on a Droid. They've given their sales pitch, and admittedly, it is sounding good. Can anyone convince me to stay put?
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The questions asking about "how droid does this" etc, really cant be answered well on a BB forum.
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The questions asking about "how droid does this" etc, really cant be answered well on a BB forum.
I figured that, and wasn't expecting detailed answers on those. I guess I was looking for the BB side of things and if there were any users out there that considered the Droid, but ultimately stuck with BB.
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These Android threads are popping up all over the place. Let me get this out of the way and then I will shed some personal insight on your questions. It is the Android OS, it is not the Droid. The Droid is only one model phone running the Android OS. That's like calling every BlackBerry the Storm. Verizon has marketed the Droid very well and now most users think all Android based phones are the Droid.

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I realize it's nobody's job here to decide what type of phone is best for someone, but I'm looking for some insight here. A recent blog post really got me thinking about whether I should go with the new Bold 9650 or jump to a Droid when my 2-year VZW contract is up in 2 weeks:

Earnest advice to a billion dollar corporation from a three hit a week blog Techranter

Much of his complaints against BBs are nothing new, but I think that the way he wrote it and the insight he gave into the Droid really opened my eyes.

Below is a list of things that I'm still trying to iron out:
I recently went from a BB 8330 to an HTC EVO, which runs Android 2.1. 2.2 should be available by year's end. So I will give you my opinions on this.

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1. I'm so used to BlackBerry. The look of it, the feel of it, the smell of it. When I find something comfortable, I stick with it. Why switch? Would it be an easy transition?
This is all personal preference. I went from the 8330 to the EVO. The EVO is huge compared to the 8330. It has a 4.3 inch screen that takes up most of the space. There are nice sized Android devices available. The Droid Eris, the Nexus One, The Droid Incredible, etc. Go to your local store and play around with them and see what you think.
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2. Buttons. In my mind, I need buttons. There is a Droid slider that has buttons, but it seems clunky. Could I handle a touch screen?
I thought this would be an issue as well, but the keyboard on the HTC devices running Android are really easy to get used to. I've used the Droid Eris with the smaller screen and didn't have too hard of a time typing. On the EVO with the 4.3 inch screen there is no issue at all. However, it is a change and it will take some time getting used to.
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3. Browser. Perhaps the most irritating thing about BlackBerry. The browser is AWFUL. What can a Droid do for me in this area?
There is no contest here. The Android browser wins hands down. Currently on 2.1 there is Flash Lite. In 2.2 when released (has been for the Nexus One already) had full Flash support.
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4. Where is Droid headed? Is there a particular device coming out soon that would be worth waiting for?
There are tons of Android based phones coming out all the time. The Nexus One was released 5 months ago. The Incredible in April. The Evo last Friday. There are talks of the Droid X and the Droid Shadow to be released soon.
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5. Business appeal. BlackBerry clearly has it. I'm a businessman, and business gets done on a BlackBerry. E-mail is fantastic. It's fast. Can you copy/paste easily on a touch screen Droid? I use this feature daily
Yes, you can copy and paste fairly easily on Android. Press and hold the screen where you want to begin copying and you will get a popup asking if you want to copy text. Then you can select the text you want to copy and it will copy it to the clipboard. Then you can paste it where ever you need to. I think it was easier on the BlackBerry using a trackball/pad for more accuracy. However, most Android devices have a trackball/pad. However the EVO does not.
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6. Calendar/Address book management. Can these be synced up with Outlook, for example? BlackBerry is flawless for me in this area.
I don't sync with Outlook, so I don't know for sure. It syncs flawlessly with Gmail. I have read that you can sync to Outlook as well. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.
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7. GPS. Mind-blowing? Simple? Reliable? GPS always seems to crap out when I need it the most on my BlackBerry.
GPS on Android looks nice due to the larger screen. I've used Sprint Navigator (TeleNav) on both the BlackBerry and the EVO. The main difference is the screen really. I did get some hourglassing on the BB which I don't get with the EVO. I think that is due to the 1ghz processor.
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9. Multi-tasking. I'm constantly switching back and forth between apps/functions. Can the Droid do this? Does it get bogged down?
Yes, the Android does multi-task as well. If you press and hold the home key, it will show you the last 6 apps that you've used. It's easy to switch back and forth.
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I switched to the EVO because my Sprint contract was up and I was looking at it and comparing it to the 9650. The 9650 seemed a lot like my 8330. The EVO (spec-wise) seemed incredible (no pun intended). I am happy with my EVO but I do miss things about the BlackBerry. No smartphone on the market compares to the BB in battery life.

BlackBerry notifications are way better than Android. No notifications for facebook wall posts/comments on Android yet. There are 3rd party workarounds.

There are no exceptions on Android. You cannot set a specific tone for emails or SMS messages from a specific contact, only ringtones. However, there are some 3rd party workarounds.

In the end, you have to make the decision and live with it, or stay with BB. I hope this helps...
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Great reply, jsconyers. I found it very helpful. Thanks for clearing up the Android/Droid issue. It was great to get insight from someone who has used one for a while. I do need to make a trip into a Verizon store and play around with whatever they have in stock.

Another question I thought of. Is there an Android equivalent to Desktop Manager? And how often do OS updates seem to be coming out, and what's the update process?
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I hear ya. I thought I would be a BB lifer. But my wife just got the HTC Evo and after a little time playing with it, I am up in the air what I will do when I come up for renewal time at the end of the year. All the stuff that jsconyers said is a great review.
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Great reply, jsconyers. I found it very helpful. Thanks for clearing up the Android/Droid issue. It was great to get insight from someone who has used one for a while. I do need to make a trip into a Verizon store and play around with whatever they have in stock.

Another question I thought of. Is there an Android equivalent to Desktop Manager? And how often do OS updates seem to be coming out, and what's the update process?
There is no DM equivalent that I am aware of. There are apps that you can get in the Market that backs up your data/settings to the SD card. Updates are generally OTA. You can get roms as well if you wish to update via a PC.
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Glad you enjoyed the rant.

I went from an 8700, Curve, Storm, Tour, and now a Droid. No one can tell you what's best for YOU, but I'll pass along a few thoughts that might be helpful.

I absolutely loved my BB's, especially the Curve, which was a pretty advanced device for the time. Micro SD card, cam with flash, 3.5 headphone jack, awesome screen, etc etc. I switched to the Storm because I was having a bit of iPhone envy, and a big touchy screen seemed like a nice change of pace. I really tried to like it, but I just found the whole experience to be laggy and annoying. I switched to a Tour, and after a few days realized that it was simply an "advanced Curve". To be honest I was just bored with the device. Aside of a little extra memory, or a slightly higher res screen, it was the same thing I'd been using for years.

So I dove in and made the switch.

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1. I'm so used to BlackBerry. The look of it, the feel of it, the smell of it. When I find something comfortable, I stick with it. Why switch? Would it be an easy transition?
There was definitely a learning curve after the switch, but Android is very intuitive. Like Blackberry, there are a million forums sites and any question you have can be answered via a google search.

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2. Buttons. In my mind, I need buttons. There is a Droid slider that has buttons, but it seems clunky. Could I handle a touch screen?
For a device that's 13mm thick, the Droid has a decent keyboard. It's not as good as a Tour keyboard, but surprisingly, I can still whip out fast and long emails. There's also an awesome app called "Swype" which makes the virtual keyboard amazing to use. Last, be aware that the Droid 2 has a newly tweaked keyboard with bigger buttons. The D2 will be released sometime at the end of July

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3. Browser. Perhaps the most irritating thing about BlackBerry. The browser is AWFUL. What can a Droid do for me in this area?
There is simply NO comparison between browsers. The Android browser is based on webkit (same as iPhone) and is amazing. Pinch zoom, super fast loading, rendering and scrolling. And in a month, it'll support FULL Flash.

RIM has a webkit browser baked into OS 6, but keep in mind it's their first attempt.

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4. Where is Droid headed? Is there a particular device coming out soon that would be worth waiting for?
The Droid Xtreme is coming July 19th. If you want a massive screen and no keyboard, this is your device. The Droid 2 (keyboard) will be coming end of July. Nice spec bump over the existing version. There's also a phone rumored to be called the Droid Pro coming around Nov/Dec. Apparently it will have the kitchen sink, 2 ghz cpu, and destroy all phones as we know them. No one knows if the "Pro" just means "awesome" or if it will be an enterprise device.

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5. Business appeal. BlackBerry clearly has it. I'm a businessman, and business gets done on a BlackBerry. E-mail is fantastic. It's fast. Can you copy/paste easily on a touch screen Droid? I use this feature daily
Gmail is push on Android, and all other accts can be "polled" every few minutes. You can also instantly refresh them at any moment. I was concerned about losing the BB email experience when I switched. It hasn't been a problem at all for me.

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6. Calendar/Address book management. Can these be synced up with Outlook, for example? BlackBerry is flawless for me in this area.
I know there is exchange connectivity, but I don't have first hand experience with it.

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7. GPS. Mind-blowing? Simple? Reliable? GPS always seems to crap out when I need it the most on my BlackBerry.
GPS gets a lock within 15/20 secs and the signal works well. You can also flip it on or off with one click via a homescreen widget.

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9. Multi-tasking. I'm constantly switching back and forth between apps/functions. Can the Droid do this? Does it get bogged down?
The Droid eats multitasking for lunch. No worries there.

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Is anyone else finding themselves at a crossroads like this? I have 3 friends that are relentlessly trying to sell me on a Droid. They've given their sales pitch, and admittedly, it is sounding good. Can anyone convince me to stay put?
It was tough for me to let go, but once I did, I'll never go back. The experience and the apps, for me at least, are a world of difference apart.

Hope that helps a bit.
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Just wanted to post an update of which direction I decided to go. I did not wind up getting a Droid; my test run was limited to an in-store analysis. I think it was just too much for me. I really don't think I could handle a touch screen. I found flipping between screens to be a bit laggy. The screen looked like a fingerprint nightmare. The annoyances I found in the few short minutes I messed with it gave me my answer. Great looking phone, but just not for me.

One look at the new BlackBerry Bold, however, and I fell in love. This thing is awesome. The trackpad is amazing. It's blazing fast too. The buttons don't "click" as loud as my old Curve; much quiter and they feel great. This is also my first hands-on look at the updated OS, and what an upgrade it is. My GPS is no longer blocked, everything looks sleek...no complaints whatsoever. Seamless transition between devices via the Desktop Manager. If you've been eyeing the Bold, get one.

Also wanted to take a moment to put in a plug for Verizon. They gave us the serious hookup today. First, I wasn't technically eligible for an upgrade for another 2 weeks, but they went ahead and made it today. Also, they had a buy 1 get 1 free deal, but you can only do it if you have 2 lines that are eligible for upgrade. My wife's line wasn't eligible for another year, but they went ahead and made it today as well. So we got 2 Bolds for $100. They've only been out for a week or 2, so that is a steal and a half. Never hurts to ask! And now that our contracts are on the same day, we should be able to partake in future BOGO offers.

Feels great to be back in the seat of a new BB. I'm here to stay!
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Awesome. Glad you found the device that works for you. Just curious, which device did you play with?
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Awesome. Glad you found the device that works for you. Just curious, which device did you play with?
Had a look at the HTC Droid Incredible, as well as the Motorola Droid. The features/apps are overwhelming. It would take a lot more than a few minutes in the store to really get comfortable with it.
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I searched the internet for Techranter and found he started a web sit to xxx8220;rantxxx8221; on various products. To me all hexxx8217;s doing is trying to gain credibility for his web site. As stated above different devices work for some and not for others. The Droid is a nice device but itxxx8217;s does not have the track record the BB has with security and other essential features for business and others.
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I'm a gadget geek just like anyone else, and I thought it would be fun to write about it. I don't expect the blog to be everyone's cup of tea.

And back to the OP, I'm glad Jrice found the phone that was best for him. Doing your research and making an informed decision is always a winning combination.
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I have had a blackberry for the last 4 years love it but these new phones like iphone 4 droid 2 and htc evo are really putting to shame anything rim has out now and the last update was a joke. The only reason to keep blackberry these days is bbm and even that is getting old i use to have about 20 friends on bbm slowly the list is down to 11 people keep leaving for better phones. Im trying to stay faithful but rim is not making it easy they better have some new stuff coming out cause im ready to jump ship.
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i use to have about 20 friends on bbm slowly the list is down to 11 people keep leaving for better phones.
Ha! Same here. My BBM list is still huge however as I never delete the former BB users from my contacts (so I feel cool). In reality there are only a few left that are active and legit :(

I too am contemplating the HTC incredible but like many here feel almost a sense of loyalty and comfort in RIM and BB. One thing for sure is that I will never go Apple anything. (sorry had to get that cheap shot in).

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"It's a Blackberry".
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