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Old 09-02-2010, 04:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello,

i am just curious if it is forbidden to use the App Store with a BlackBerry without the BIS or BES.
I got the App World alx from someone else, installed the Servicebooks from anworm and can now use the BlackBerry App World, which is nice.

But is it legal?

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Old 12-29-2010, 05:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You generally need to wait a lot longer than you have to be sure no one is going to answer your question.

But as to legality, didn't you read the license agreement when you installed it?

Seriously, I didn't read it thoroughly either, but I would bet you are violating it.

Real world consequences? I expect it will turn out to be more trouble than it's worth without a data plan. What use are data apps without a data plan?
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You generally need to wait a lot longer than you have to be sure no one is going to answer your question...
You mean the whole life, to be sure nobody answers?

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...Seriously, I didn't read it thoroughly either...

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...What use are data apps without a data plan?
I don't mean a data plan, i mean the BIS or BES, which are special BlackBerry services. You can get a data plan without those services, like me.
My provider gives me 100 MB a month for 5 Bucks, but he hasn't BIS or BES.
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No BlackBerry Data means no App World. Period.
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Yeah, and I did mean blackberry data plan.

There are apps other than those by RIM which require a blackberry data plan to run. Google maps comes to mind.

At any rate, if you've somehow managed to get service books installed and make app world work, I still say I expect it will be more trouble than it's worth messing with it.
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... if you've somehow managed to get service books installed and make app world work, I still say I expect it will be more trouble than it's worth messing with it
I don't understand which trouble you mean. I have the servicebook from anworm and i have no trouble at all with it and with the AppWorld.

I just want to know, if i can give others the alx for AppWorld officially without the fear doing it illegally.
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I don't know the answer to your question and I don't think you should rely on any answer your would get on a forum, in the office, at a party, in the doctor's office, from your hairdresser... It's a question for an attorney. But if I had to guess, I'd bet it's illegal. I wouldn't do it just because I wouldn't use a product that is not being given away free by the owner without paying for it.

As to trouble, you probably will lose the service books everytime you do a hard reset, and you may lose them at anytime for whatever reason. Plus, as I said, I wonder if you'll be able to find any apps that will run that are worth a damn.

But another question. Have you actually successfully downloaded an installed an app yet, or just opened app world and browsed?
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...Have you actually successfully downloaded an installed an app yet, or just opened app world and browsed?
Many Apps.
And the updates of those are automatic.
I even updated AppWorld itself, some months ago.
And i repeat, i have no BIS or BES.

Because it is working so well i would like to give other people the AppWorld.alx (and cod) to have the same nice thing.
But know i think it is better to keep it, i don't want to do any illegal things

EDIT: the things not working are: Maps and BB Messenger. I live very good without them.
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No need to repeat. It's clear what you wrote.

I was curious because before app world you needed the blackberry browser to download and install OTA, which in turn required a data plan (or at least the service books). So just asked as it's a clue into how things work. Are you able to use the native BlackBerry browser as well, I wonder? (Some RIM apps require other apps, for example Traffic requires BlackBerry Maps, and I understand social feeds requires facebook, twitter, etc. and doesn't display those independently.)

At any rate, good luck, and stay out of jail.
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My personal opinion is that we should not be discussing this subject in this forum. We don't discuss MFI and IMHO, this is similar.
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...Are you able to use the native BlackBerry browser as well?...
Yep, but this worked from the beginning. Those servicebooks (browser, wirelessbrowser...) are default today. The provider gives it or it is preinstalled.
Who would buy a Smartphone without a working browser?
But Messengers are not working (e.g. facebook).



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Appworld can be downloaded from Blackberry and used without BES or BIS. All you have to do is attach your BB to your PC USB port and install from blackberry.com. As far as installing applications from Appworld, many work with a regular internet data as long as you have the native browser working. You will also get alerts when there is an update for any apps installed from APPworld.
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Yep, but this worked from the beginning. Those servicebooks ...(browser, wirelessbrowser...) are default today. The provider gives it or it is preinstalled.
Not in all cases, sometimes the service books have to be pushed from the carrier, even for the Wifi Browser; which requires a data plan for service books to be pushed.

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But Messengers are not working (e.g. facebook).
These apps typically require specific service books for them. If I look in my list of Service Books there is a WLM one for Windows live messenger for instance.

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@dubdub: what is MFI?
It is software illegally stolen from RIM and distributed illegally. This board does not condone discussion regarding it. Enough said.
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Err...there's not much point in getting a bb without data right?
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Err...there's not much point in getting a bb without data right?
No, this is not really senseful. If you are in decision, forget about it or try to get a data plan.
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Err...there's not much point in getting a bb without data right?
It's up to you, if you only need a very good phone for Calls and SMS, then no data plan.
Other than that a BB is not much use without one, it is unlikely any apps will work, and the email will not either. Even the WiFi browser may not work depending on the phone's native carrier without data.
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A BlackBerry without data plan is like a normal computer without internet. You can still use some Apps offline (e.g. MGMaps, Mobipocket Reader and a few more) but it is _much_ more fun with internet!
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It's possible to get 95% of the BB services working without a BIS/BES data plan, as I have done. Only a few apps don't work (RIM designed apps such as Facebook, Twitter, Gtalk) and there are alternatives to each of these.

Everything else (apart obviously from push email, which can be replaced with the Gmail app in my case) works just fine with my Giff Gaff account.
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