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Does anyone know how to switch a Nextel BB to use Sprint towers (to make up for a weak Nextel signal) On a regular Nextel phone the code is *, #, menu, right arrow (all quickly); then go down to the error/channel and turn it off. I have a 7520, which does not have the menu buttons, of course.
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Are they sharing towers? NEXTEL communicates on the iDEN network and Sprint on CDMA.
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Nextel and Sprint have merged, so they are now sharing towers. If you called Nextel or Sprint, they would never tell you that, tho. I have not heard of anyone using a Nextel BB on a Sprint tower for communication. I would assume you could only share towers on voice communications at this point. I was told that the merger will be complete and all will share all by 2009.
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Hmmmm Just like the Cingular / AT&T merger. In southern California, all the Cingular customers were constantly complaining about dropped calls, network busy messages, and not being able to use their wireless phones. They were promised after the merger things would get much better, later to find out that Cingular was selling the majority of the AT&T cell-site towers they acquired in the merger to other smaller cellular companies in the California area…………
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Yup, I have have really felt like a 2nd class citizen lately. Even the Nextel website is different. And when I call Nextel, a Sprint rep answers the phone, like, " What do you mean you still have one of those old Nestel phones?" Little trick: From your home screen on a RIM , press alt, N, M, L, L, (no commas) for a numeric signal meter. From www.blackberrytips.net
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Nextel and Sprint have merged, so they are now sharing towers. If you called Nextel or Sprint, they would never tell you that, tho. I have not heard of anyone using a Nextel BB on a Sprint tower for communication. I would assume you could only share towers on voice communications at this point. I was told that the merger will be complete and all will share all by 2009.
They may be able to share towers, but they can not share base stations, nor can the current phones on the market switch as they are not the same network technology..

The networks are totally incompatiable, so until they rollout a brand new network and you buy a device on that network, you wont be able to take any real tecnolgical advantage of the merger. They may also use the established towers to put BOTH networks out there by rolling out more base stations on the current networks, but they seems unlikely.

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At this point there are no hybrid phones available to work on both IDEN and CDMA networks. The expected release date for the first hybrid is 3Q 2006.

Your BBerry will not work on CDMA towers, and neither will any other Nextel phone. The integration plan is to eventually (by 2010) convert all Sprint Nextel users to the CDMA network and use the IDEN network as a public safety grid.
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We have had pretty good luck switching when we hit a zone that has poor Nextel coverage. After the switch, our screen shows about a ten digit number separated by -s. We use about 20 Nextel I-730s where I work, and we cover a lot of area. I am quite familiar with IDEN. What is CDMA?
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CDMA is the network that legacy Sprint uses.

The advantage of CDMA over IDEN is that the towers are capable of handling more calls without drops, but IDEN is a stronger frequency so you need less towers for a decent signal.

I can't get too in-depth with the specifics of RF strength and all that because I'm not an engineer, but the reason that both carriers are going over to Sprint's CDMA network is their data solutions. Their Power-Vision (or EVDO) is lightyears ahead of the IDEN network data. I just hope the GPS capability of the Nextel handsets survives the integration into one network.
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Switching the error channel on a nextel phone does nothing, its a myth that has been busted open so many times. Sprint towers can not transmit iden and Nextel towers cant transmit cdma who ever told you this is so full of shiot there breath should stink. I have been with nextel along time I do my fair shair of programming on code plugs and hacking on nextels.
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I never said they could.
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(Thank you Dawg)

I hear this at least 10 times a day at work (I'm a nextel rep.) There are so many rumors about this and the local officials taken over the network during the hurricanes (none of are local sheriffs have that service on there phone) and to have the priority for cell-phone use you have to get approval from the FCC only can the Direct Connect/Walkie-Talkie priority service can be approved by Nextel. (All this cost allot more per minute)
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I've got the wireless priorty service on my cell phone, which is nice, although it doesn't knock anyone off the tower like the direct connect version does. It just puts you at the front of the line. I wish the priority direct connect would work cross-fleet. Too many of the people I'd like to be able to hit in an emergency are on different fleets and it's way too much trouble to have everyone change numbers.
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Dawg and micpip have it right.

I'm really hoping that by the time they migrate the IDEN users to CDMA that they really improve the footprint. I was with Sprint for 3 years before getting hired by Nextel (2.5 yrs ago), and I must admit I really prefer the coverage with IDEN over CDMA right now.

The expansion plan Sprint laid out sounds great (should have more towers than VZW by 2008 ) I really hope they spend the money and follow through.
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I told jwaters (yahoo IM) that I think there is a lot of truth in what Y' all are saying. Why are Sprint and Nextel so tight-lipped about this merger? Doesn't sound like they are very proud of their accomplishment. Before the merger, it was widely advertised. Now, there is nothing public said about it.
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If you include Sprint's roaming coverage on Verizon's network Sprints footprint is huge compared to the iDen footprint.
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I told jwaters (yahoo IM) that I think there is a lot of truth in what Y' all are saying. Why are Sprint and Nextel so tight-lipped about this merger? Doesn't sound like they are very proud of their accomplishment. Before the merger, it was widely advertised. Now, there is nothing public said about it.
Why would we not be telling the truth about this? If every phone Sprint or Nextel sold worked on both networks we would think it would we a big selling point and we would tell everyone about it - but it doesn't work. The networks are too different. This is dissimilar to the ATT and Cingular merger a couple years ago in that their network was basically the same.

The merger plan isn't to thump chests right now and show everyone how proud we are to be a fortune 40 company, it is to plan a long-term integration into one network. Like I said it won't be complete until 2010 or so, and there are still some affiliates and partners that need to be bought out before we can move forward. Until then the companies are still trying to move under one roof. Day 1 was September first, this new company is still a baby - patience will show you what the company will ultimately become (unpopular in this culture, I know).
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If you include Sprint's roaming coverage on Verizon's network Sprints footprint is huge compared to the iDen footprint.
I think anyone that roams on VZW towers has a huge network.

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Yes, it IS unfair (of me) to expect a huge merger like this to happen overnight. Truth is, if I was that unsatisfied with Nextel, I would have dumped them quickly. I have been with them for 7 years now.
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I'm not having any major issues with Nextel right now. As a matter of fact, when I was down in Texas during Rita my Nextel worked better in the areas I was in than any other carrier (I was in Houston, Beaumont and Sabine Pass for the most part). My earlier comment about the priority direct connect wasn't meant as a slam against Nextel or the merger. The priority DC has been around long before the merger and has never worked cross-fleet. You can't have a talkgroup cross-fleet either. I was just commenting that it would be nice if you could go cross-fleet with the priority service.
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