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Default Help for a Newbie - how to simply move my e-mails back ....

Help for a Newbie - how to simply move my e-mails back and forth between BB and Outlook Express on my LapTop -

Here is what I want to do: i can send and receive e-mails on BB - I want to be able to move them to my laptop computer, work with the attachments - write replies and then move the replies back to BB and send - I have been reading all about SYNC and it does great w/ Calendar Address book etc, but what about the most important: emails? Can anyone help? Thanks

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You can not "sync" e-mails with the BB. E-Mails are FORWARDED to the BB, while Calendar, Tasks, Notes and Contacts are synced. You can not do what you are suggesting in your post.
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Default Wow - I can't believe it - you mean that even though I am...

Wow - I can't believe it - you mean that even though I am cabled right to the laptop, there is no way to move a file from one to the other???

I can't believe that this would not be the most popular application? So what would be the point of receiving attachments - how would you work on them? Where would you save them, without using up all the storage after just a few - To have to try to do any significant work on this little keyboard and screen when you have a computer right next to it? I don't know - there's something missing here - it seems like what I want to do move an e-mail (or at least its attachment) to the computer and back again would be basic -

Well, while somebody is busy making games for this BB maybe they could come up w/ a simple way to move files back and forth between BB and computer - IMHO its just too frustrating - this would be like being in the space shuttle and having Mission Control tell you the good news/bad news: we can get you a pizza delivered to the spacecraft - but theres no way you can eat it!
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the purpose of a blackberry is to receive 'push' email and reply back to it in real-time (often faster than your desktop email client would receive the messages). if they have attachments, then you can VIEW the attachments.

i think the BWC portion of Blackberry is more or less a way to get this technology to consumers. the larger corporations and businesses will spend money on BES and they will have functionality within their email environment (thus receiving the attachment on their desktop). i am not sure on the functionality similarities with BWC with this particular 'feature'.

you are simply asking for a feature that was never intended for the product. read up and do a little bit of research before you purchase products next time - may help out. most people understand that Blackberry technology is used for instant wireless email not for office productivity with editing attachments.

but if you want to make a big fuss, you could always use the product's intent and simply email it to a desktop, edit the attachment, email it back to your blackberry and then forward on from there.

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Default Your logic escapes me - but thanks for the reply

I'm not sure how to respond to your comments rationalizing that I am asking for a feature that the BB was never designed for - this entire forum is loaded with people interested in getting the apparatus to do things it wasn't designed for (ie: become a modem, play games, surf the internet) - I don't know how old you are, but I have been around for a long while and remember what my first PC (a Tandy) (way beore Microsoft, hard drives, even before little floppy discs & popular use of the internet) which we loaded about $6,000.00 of custom written accounting and job costing software - all to have it fail repeatedly at the simplest task, requiring numerous visits by the programmers (who were just learning, too) - My point is there were plenty of people (like you) who were grousing that folks kept asking for features that "these things weren't designed for" - well, 30 years later, look where we've arrived - and I'm very glad that there were so many people asking these boxes "to do things they weren't designed for".

The app or feature that I am seeking (rather, expecting) is not too much to ask for - if you can bring an e-mail around the world (with or without an attachment) why not bring it 3 more feet to the laptop you use to work with? All kinds of inexpensive devices move files back and forth - this is not "rocket surgery" - the device moves contacts, the device moves calendar data (from the very same programs that hold the email boxes) how hard could it be to get this additional utility?

Finally you might be guilty of a small imagination - or just one of these folks who join forums, not with intention of sharing, helping and creating, but making sure that no one "moves your cheese." If you think that just reading e-mail and replying to e-mail is enough for you, fine. Perhaps others have broader concepts or greater aspirations - such as actually getting some work done.

As for reading up on the product, believe me, I have been reading for weeks and my opinion is that there is little written that gives a definitive answer to this conundrum, the truth is, the product documentation and support is woefully lacking - if you don't believe that, why don't you try reading the numerous posts in this very forum, relating to that specific point?

Finally, your (rather lame) suggestion to forward the e-mail to my laptop or PC reveals a lack of understanding that's profound - if I was in a situation where I had internet access available to my PC or laptop, I wouldn't really need the BB in the first place, would I? I travel extensively to Europe and Latin America (where they have rather good GSM and GRSM service available, but hotels are not exactly like the Holiday Inn where you probably camp - there is no wireless service, there is no dial-up available (especially at reasonable rates) Heck there sometimes isn't even a phone - so, if I can get a utility that lets me receive my e-mail - move the message and attachment to my laptop, do the work I need to do, move the message and new attachment back to the BB and send itoff where it needs to go, then my small corner of the planet would be a brighter (and more productive) place. Meanwhile you can chat away and e-mail your friends and think small (very small).

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I don't have a BB yet but if I get one, I guess I better just use it for what it is intended for.
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Not sure if this will help, but thought it was on the right track.

http://store.yahoo.com/1800mobiles/d...d-edition.html
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I'm with you on the lack of support and Doc's. I'm also with you on the ability to expand the functionality of the product. Hard to do, however, given the lack of doc's.

In any case, I saw another post on this forum (can't seem to locate it now though) that tells how to use the BB as a modem for your laptop. That may solve your problem.
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jfa,

You make some good points. I had just asked a very similiar question when I saw yours. My boss wants to do very much the same thing as you are trying to do. I guess technology can't be every thing to everyone sometimes, although what you want to do seems very reasonable to me.
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this entire forum is loaded with people interested in getting the apparatus to do things it wasn't designed for (ie: become a modem, play games, surf the internet)
You see, the Blackberry WAS designed for these functions. Some models include an IP modem w/ TCP stack (it was just undocumented). It includes Brickbreaker by default for a game. It includes a browsing capabilties within the OS, but has to be enabled by the provider.

There is a big difference (although a thin line, obviously) between 'not designed for' and 'not enabled or documented - yet'. T-Mobile's latest documentation for OS4.0 actually discusses the IP modem.

From the tone of your original reply, you seem to be wanting a free and/or built-in solution. Thats how I took it, atleast (even with your reply back, you mention functionality that is free or built-in). As someone mentioned, the eOffice solution is available to you for $120 for Basic. It allows synchronization of files. Not sure how well it works. Not built-in by RIM.

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Finally you might be guilty of a small imagination - or just one of these folks who join forums, not with intention of sharing, helping and creating, but making sure that no one "moves your cheese." If you think that just reading e-mail and replying to e-mail is enough for you, fine. Perhaps others have broader concepts or greater aspirations - such as actually getting some work done.
If you would notice, I have done my fair share of replying and helping, as has NJBlackBerry. I would consider him one of the more helpful and knowledgeable resources on this forum (as well as RIM Road's forum).

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As for reading up on the product, believe me, I have been reading for weeks and my opinion is that there is little written that gives a definitive answer to this conundrum, the truth is, the product documentation and support is woefully lacking - if you don't believe that, why don't you try reading the numerous posts in this very forum, relating to that specific point?
While I agree with you that documentation is lacking in some places, I will say that you do not get an adequate user's manual with computers either. RIM (and/or you provider) give you the basics of how-to with a BB unit, even in detail for some items. Lesser used options or settings, they will leave up to you (the "power user"). Situational issues, they will leave it up to you to contact them or figure it out yourself (or you could use this forum's information repository for that, if its been documented). You give people DETAILED information about EVERY aspect of a product and you get more support calls of confusion, thus costing money when you could have simply taken the broad but adequate way out with the documentation and made more of a profit due to not having to spend so much money on support.

No company will ever detail every aspect of a product on the general consumer level. I've never seen it, nor do I ever expect to see it.

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Finally, your (rather lame) suggestion to forward the e-mail to my laptop or PC reveals a lack of understanding that's profound
I was being facetious, hence the smiley at the end.
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jFA & jibi,

Hey, hey. Let's not let things get out of hand... This forum is supposed to be fun hobbyist forum for BlackBerry users. Let's calm down. It is understandable that problems and solutions can be posted in this forum... let's remember that there are some frustrated BlackBerry users out there, and let's remember to treat them well.

Now, as equitably and fair as possible, let me point out:

To jFA:

Some forum people have been around here for quite a while and it is true that some of them may automatically assume that you are a newbie that don't know much. Try to give them a little slack -- I know you're a bit frustrated at the BlackBerry's limitations. There are always unorthodox solutions that even jibi didn't consider in his earlier post: for example eOffice. After all, we're all human. Computers did things they were never designed for -- I remember the old Tandy's being pushed to their limits. But please, give other forum members slack wherever possible, it's possible for other forum members to misunderstand other people's posts. A calm explanation is fine -- but let's try not to flame-bait each other.

To jibi:

I would like to mention that it is a good idea to be careful of your choice of words when addressing new forum members:
"..you are simply asking.." (potentially denigrating)
"..read up.." (potentially denigrating)
"..do a little bit of research.." (potentially denigrating)
"..most people understand that.." (potentially denigrating)
I know that some people say "newbies are a little annoying" sometimes, but it is BlackBerryForums policy to make new visitors feel welcome. I would prefer people not to give the impresson of "ordering" new users to do research -- after all, this forum has already gotten to be too big to easily search for a specific detail sometimes. And certain things are not bumped up to the top of the forum often enough for new users to notice.

Back to regular programming

Please continue. Just be nice to each other. Okay?

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