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Old 02-27-2006, 10:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am currently using CSL BIS as my carrier.In Hong kong, I need to get BES in order to have unlimited usage.....but I heard when using BES, I can only have access to 1 e-mail acc only, is it true???

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...but I heard when using BES, I can only have access to 1 e-mail acc only, is it true???
You can only have access to one BES account. Multiple are reported to be possible, but RIM doesnt support it. You can still have up to 10 email address forwarded via BIS.
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What's the disadvantage of using BES?
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You can only have access to one BES account. Multiple are reported to be possible, but RIM doesnt support it. You can still have up to 10 email address forwarded via BIS.
PMFJI, but just to confirm, if I go BES I get only one e-mail account that way but I STILL get use of the BIS and can continue to receive e-mails the way I am now?

Reason I ask is that I would only hook up to a BES so that I could use MDS and avoid data charges. While wireless contact/calendar sync is nice I can't forward e-mails so I would like to continue to receive my e-mails the way I am now; i.e. BIS.

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You can not avoid data charges. It is like signing for the metered Internet and finding way to avoid Web browsing data charges. Will not happen.
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You can not avoid data charges. It is like signing for the metered Internet and finding way to avoid Web browsing data charges. Will not happen.
Now that I reread my post I realize how it looks. No, I'm not trying to avoid ALL data charges: I would still have a BB Unlimited Plan. I just want to avoid Cingular's overages and, as lgreenberg has indicated he has done, use MDS for third party apps like berry411, bbWeather, etc. Now if you're saying that even with MDS I'd get Cingular overages, well, then that's what I need to know.

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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/107)

But my carrier claimed that the only way to avoid the web browsing charge is to join BES!! Now I dunno who to trust!
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Now that I reread my post I realize how it looks. No, I'm not trying to avoid ALL data charges: I would still have a BB Unlimited Plan. I just want to avoid Cingular's overages and, as lgreenberg has indicated he has done, use MDS for third party apps like berry411, bbWeather, etc. Now if you're saying that even with MDS I'd get Cingular overages, well, then that's what I need to know.

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If:

1) You have an unlimited BB data plan from your carrier AND
2) You have a BES account with mobile data service (MDS) enabled AND
3) You have an app on your handheld that will use MDS instead of your carrier's data service (either automagically or by a setting)

then all of your data for that app (Google Earth, telnet/ssh, Berry411, etc.) will go thorugh your BES. It's considered BlackBerry data and not WAP-style data, and you have unlimited BlackBerry data. All your emails and BlackBerry Browser (perhaps not Carrier Browser) traffic will be considered BlackBerry data too.

No BES? Then you'll either have to deal with metered usage or find a hosted BES service. Or possibly see if there is an unlimited non-BlackBerry data plan you can tack on without breaking the BlackBerry data.

SMS/MMS is still going to draw from a message bucket or pay-as-you-go.

If someone feels I'm wrong here, I'd love to chat about it further.
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If:

1) You have an unlimited BB data plan from your carrier AND
2) You have a BES account with mobile data service (MDS) enabled AND
3) You have an app on your handheld that will use MDS instead of your carrier's data service (either automagically or by a setting)

then all of your data for that app (Google Earth, telnet/ssh, Berry411, etc.) will go thorugh your BES. It's considered BlackBerry data and not WAP-style data, and you have unlimited BlackBerry data. All your emails and BlackBerry Browser (perhaps not Carrier Browser) traffic will be considered BlackBerry data too.

No BES? Then you'll either have to deal with metered usage or find a hosted BES service. Or possibly see if there is an unlimited non-BlackBerry data plan you can tack on without breaking the BlackBerry data.

SMS/MMS is still going to draw from a message bucket or pay-as-you-go.

If someone feels I'm wrong here, I'd love to chat about it further.
Pick two CSRs at random from Cingular and, chances are, one of them will think you're wrong.

Thanks for the info; basically, what you're saying makes sense in theory. If I pay for unlimited BB data then, if I use BB data, I don't pay any more. Otherwise, I do. Problem is, it's difficult to define "BB data" as well as determine which apps use it. For example, Cingular's TOS indicates that unlimited BB data INCLUDES "Internet browsing" (their term). Is that WAP, HTML only, or what? Also, for example, does bbWeather use the BB APN or not, and if the latter, can it use MDS? I believe blackberry411 has an MDS option, don't know about bbWeather.

I understand this subject has been beaten to death and there simply IS no answer (except, as in "1984", what Cingular WANTS it to be ). So if one chooses to use Cingular, for whatever reason, then they're going to have to live with the ambiguity. This leaves aside the so-called new Cingular "BB Tethering Plan" I've heard about, since even if that exists it's $75 and probably still has loads of loopholes.

Again, thanks for the post.

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