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Old 03-12-2006, 02:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How come im not cool enought to have a BES server...my company wont get one...they think its not worth the money.

I just want one so i can surf the web, and use the office connection..rather than pay 40+ a mo. for cingulars web access.

Am I right...thats one of the things you can do with a BES server?
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How come im not cool enought to have a BES server...my company wont get one...they think its not worth the money.

I just want one so i can surf the web, and use the office connection..rather than pay 40+ a mo. for cingulars web access.

Am I right...thats one of the things you can do with a BES server?
Sort of, not really. In order to have full Blackberry capability you need to have the Blackberry data package (unlimited for Cingular is $45 on top of a voice plan). This gets you a BIS, allowing you to have up to 10 email accts on your BB (with only 1 that you can send from). This also gives you the basic abilities in syncing - you can sync your calendars, emails, tasks and contacts with your PC - through a USB cable. Now, if you want to be able to sync with those things wirelessly, from anywhere in the world, instantly, then you will need a BES. The BES will give you online access to an Outlook Web Server (an online version of Outlook), and real time syncing with your BB (without cable connection) with you PC's Outlook (or Entourage if you use Mac). Either your company can purchase and host a BES, or you can do it on your own through a hosted BES such as www.link2exchange.com, www.exchangemymail.com, or www.mailstreet.com. These each cost about $20 per month and give you the syncing abilities I mentioned earlier. They also give you MDS support, which lets you use third party apps like instant messaging applications and mapping or weather applications, without incurring additional charges from Cingular (there is debate about Cingular's charging methods - some get additional charges per use for 3rd party apps and some do not, like me, but the consensus is that eventually all users will get charged for them). So to get the full use of a BB you will need an unlimited data plan, PLUS either a company BES or a hosted BES.
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So I am to understand that even with a BES...I will still need Cingulars data plan.
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So I am to understand that even with a BES...I will still need Cingulars data plan.
Yes.
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Do we still suck? And yes - you ALWAYS have to pay the carrier's fee for a data plan...
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I believe you still have to pay for data access but using the blackbery browser uses the companies internet connection rather than a wap/ota charges.
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Yes, you need the data plan. I don't think you'll convince your company to install BES to support one user. But perhaps you can convince them that a lot of your BB use is business related and can get them to pay your $40/month data charges.
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Is Cingular your only option. I have Tmobiles unlimited data plan for $19.99/month. That gives me UNLIMITED SMS, email, web browsing, anything data related. I have seen no extra charges because of 3rd party apps. Not sure if the coverage is good where you are but you might check into that. I have not had close to as many problems as some of the cingular users i have seen on here. Not knocking cingular or promoting tmobile. I know alot of people get spotty coverage with them. Mine happens to work fine everywhere i go. Just an idea for you to check out.
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I believe you still have to pay for data access but using the blackbery browser uses the companies internet connection rather than a wap/ota charges.
It still uses the carrier's wireless network, even if you are using the MDS/BlackBerry Browser for downloading.

One thing people should realize is that ANY connectivity and communications you use through your handheld goes through your carrier's network. Otherwise, it's like saying that allowing someone else to drive your car and you ride passenger won't use up any gas from your fuel tank...
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I just want one so i can surf the web, and use the office connection..rather than pay 40+ a mo. for cingulars web access.
If that's the only reason, then it would be a waste of money, imo. That is, unless you own the company, which it doesn't appear you do.
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Im going to look at T mobile...I think that my contract is up so I can move without getting penalized.
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Wouldn't you still require cingulars plan to connect to the bes?
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For $20/month you can be cool. It really is nice to have.

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How come im not cool enought to have a BES server...my company wont get one...they think its not worth the money.

I just want one so i can surf the web, and use the office connection..rather than pay 40+ a mo. for cingulars web access.

Am I right...thats one of the things you can do with a BES server?
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Exactly -- you can sign up with a hosted BES service.
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hmm I dont know if its worth it to be spending 120/mo. for a phone...i pay 59.99 for service...34.99 for BIS and another 20 for BES? neg.
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