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Default Using laptop to compose e-mails for 7750

I just found this forum today searching for an answer on Google. Lots of great info here.

My problem is this. My boss has a 7750 from Verizon. I have successfully set up his e-mail using the Desktop Redirector. (A co-worker and myself recently got 7520s from Nextel and we are using those with the BES 4.0, but that is another story.) What my boss wants to do when he is on the road is to compose e-mails on his laptop and then sync with his 7750 and of course send the e-mails using the Blackberry. He doesn't like typing on the 7750 keypad. I read through the thread that talks about using the Blackberry as a modem. Would this be an option? I understand that when you are using the BES and wireless sync you cannot do a desktop e-mail sync which seems to me would do what my boss wants. We do not yet have him set up on the BES . Still using the redirector. Is there a solution for this?
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Clearly the BlackBerry is the wrong device for your boss. You can not type messages on the PC and then somehow get them to the BB and then mail them out. The 7750 also can not be used as a modem, but that doesn't really matter.

You can not do what your boss wants to do.
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NJ,

Well I didn't think he could do that but my boss is not one to take " I'm sorry but it can't do that" very readily. Sometimes I believe he thinks I can do most anything when it comes to technology. As far as whether the Blackberry is the right device for him, he has greatly benefited from being able to get his e-mails while on the road so it has still been a great tool for him in that respect. Just because he wants it to be a little easier to type e-mails doesn't me he can't still benefit from it.

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NJBlackBerry is right that the 7750 cannot be used as a modem for laptop. The BlackBerry may certainly be the wrong tool. But before we conclude that, let's make sure it's not simply "incorrect usage of BlackBerry", basically incorrect expectations of a BlackBerry.

A Simple Adjustment Of Expectations May Be All That Needed

If your boss is addicated to the BlackBerry (at least for reading emails), the BlackBerry can still be used as a "companion" to your PC -- the email server just needs to be reconfigured so that emails show up on BOTH your BlackBerry and on a regular Internet email account. Your boss will just have to use a regular Internet connection or a webmail system.

You will want your BlackBerry to simply be a mirror copy of the Desktop INBOX. Your boss would be able to read emails from either device because a copy of all incoming emails show up on both BlackBerry and the desktop computer simultaneously. Your boss may already love that choice.

However, for replying to emails, you will have to educate your boss on the fact he has this choice, when he receives an important email on BlackBerry.
1. He can either go to a computer and connect to the Internet and reply to the email from the desktop's own copy of the INBOX
2. And if he is not near an Internet connected computer, he can reply a short important message from thumb keyboard.

Basically, BlackBerry can be treated like an email pager that alerts the boss to run to an Internet-connected computer, to do the email-replying there. Basically, the BlackBerry just becomes a "mirror" of the desktop INBOX.

Now that is one example of correct usage of a BlackBerry with the correct expectations.

Problem solved. (hopefully)
and your boss will still be happy with the BlackBerry, too!
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He doesn't like typing on the 7750 keypad.
Sorry - I stand by my original statement. The BB is not the right device for him.
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rta53...
I once had a boss like that, if not worse. Does yours carry a laptop with him?
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Yes he does carry his laptop with him. I broke the news to him today that he would not be able to do what he had asked about. Actually he is a very good boss to work for. Also he told me that he was getting more use to the BB keypad and even thought he could type faster on it than his laptop.
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You know, sometimes I don't like to type on the BB keyboard too.

I read about 600-700 WPM, and I find typing at only 50-70 WPM on the BB keyboard is painfully slow for me. (More or less "speedreader" level -- some professional speedreaders can go faster than than 1000 WPM)

As I am deaf and cannot use the telephone without using a keyboard, I am still asking RIM to open up the Bluetooth stack, so I can type 100-140 WPM on a Bluetooth Stowaway keyboard, rather than just 50-70 WPM on a BlackBerry thumb keyboard, especially when making text-to-voice realtime relay phone calls from BlackBerry using telnet://wireless.ip-relay.com:2510 .... I can type roughly as fast as I can speak on a full size keyboard, but I can only type at half talking speed on a BlackBerry thumb keyboard, which makes my voice sound "slow" when going through the text-to-voice realtime relay service.

Yes, I type up to about 140 WPM on a PC keyboard (fastest time http://www.typingtest.com , Huckleberry Finn, 1-minute test, 142 WPM) ... and up to about 70 WPM on a BlackBerry thumb keyboard (See my BlackBerry Thumb Touch Typist Guide)
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Yes he does carry his laptop with him. I broke the news to him today that he would not be able to do what he had asked about. Actually he is a very good boss to work for. Also he told me that he was getting more use to the BB keypad and even thought he could type faster on it than his laptop.
You could so a couple of things. One is to get a phone and plan where you can use the phone as a modem for the laptop. The other is to get a wireless card, if he doesn't have one already. More and more public places are becoming wireless hotspots. I did this for my boss and boy, did that shut him up...LOL!!
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What's with all this "it can't be done", and "it was never intended for"? Why would anyone join a forum if they are not willing to be creative? I've seen lots of creative solutions in these forums, but not when it comes to doing things 'differently'. This is a totally reasonable request, and not beyond the capabilities of the hardware. It is only lacking a bit of software.

Until that software is written, a simple solution for your boss may be to have him compose his emails in a note on Outlook on the laptop, then sync with the BB. Then all he has to do is open the note in the BB, hi-lite and copy it into a blank email.
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tannis,

Thanks for the tip. I will have him try that.

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It is actually very common for someone to not like the BlackBerry thumb keyboard during the first 2 weeks of use. The keyboard kind of "grows" on you.

It is definitely one of the best thumb keyboards available for handheld devices!

tannis00 -- excellent suggestion. It'll work perfectly for those occasional marathon emails when the laptop has no Internet connection. I use Notes for things it wasn't originally designed for, too (such as ordering a meal at a restaurant, using BlackBerry as a notepad, when someone cannot understand what I am saying).
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It is actually very common for someone to not like the BlackBerry thumb keyboard during the first 2 weeks of use. The keyboard kind of "grows" on you.

It is definitely one of the best thumb keyboards available for handheld devices!
I have to admit that the BB thumbpad took some getting used to but after all, for everything we do there is always a first!
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You know, sometimes the choice between a "wrong device" and a "nonexistent device"/"worse device" simply turns out that the "wrong device" turns out to be the better device. I'm familiar enough with execuspeak and bureaucratese, to interpret things somewhat differently, especially when it comes from the office of the boss. If an executive decision sounds "stupid", I try to understand why the decision was reached, and attempt to trace the events that led to a potentially flawed decision. (Such as the purchase of the wrong device, such as say, BlackBerry for the wrong purpose.)
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  1. Many People don't like BlackBerry thumb keyboard in first 2 weeks of use.
    (CONFIRMED by New Info: Boss now likes keyboard better)
  2. BlackBerry is still an addictive 1-way email pager. Replying to emails is often a bonus.
    (CONFIRMED by New Info: Boss likes ability to stay in touch)
  3. Sometimes, other devices fall way short, such as worse keyboard, or less reliable push email.
  4. There are creative solutions, such as using Outlook notes and copy-n-paste. This can be used occasionally for those marathon emails when the laptop cannot be hooked to the Internet right away.
  5. Pain factor. Your boss is already at least partially happy with BlackBerry. You need to weigh the "pain" of switching devices, versus using creative solutions to make the BlackBerry a happier experience. Especially older executives sometimes have a slower learning curve when learning new gadgets. This is a VERY important consideration -- depending on how tech-saavy your boss is.
  6. Your boss needs a cellphone anyway. Being able to use the cellphone as a convenient "window" to your desktop Inbox is a bonus (Even if you don't reply). Other devices such as PocketPC, don't do this quite as well and seamlessly as BlackBerry.
  7. Optionally, the boss can get a wireless Aircard too for the laptop. That will make laptop wireless too. Whenever he has a big BlackBerry email that requires a big reply, he just opens up the laptop and reply from there. Sometimes, the budget for bosses can justify two separate wireless plans, an Aircard AND a BlackBerry for maximum convenience.
True, BlackBerry may still be the wrong device, but, it is premature to conclude in a definitive manner. Apparently, it is looking more and more like that the BlackBerry is still the right device, after all!

After all the "pain factor" of switching devices exists and can be very high, and all the above solutions I am suggesting can have a far, far, far lower "pain factor".

Plus, the parallel Aircard solution can actually be more convenient than tethering a Treo600/BlackBerry/PocketPC/whatever, especially if he is on an executive-style salary and can afford two parallel wireless plans. (And even this may be unnecessary, because it was reported that the boss seems now happier with the thumb keyboard than he used to be.)
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Optionally, the boss can get a wireless Aircard too for the laptop. That will make laptop wireless too. Whenever he has a big BlackBerry email that requires a big reply, he just opens up the laptop and reply from there. Sometimes, the budget for bosses can justify two separate wireless plans, an Aircard AND a BlackBerry for maximum convenience.
Mark,

That's exactly one of the options he is considering.

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Bingo. Problem solved ;)

For a 6-figure executive salary, what's a minor additional $500+ per year for improved convenience?
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Almost every device is a compromise. I use my laptop to compose e-mails in notes sometimes when I have something long to type and I have no internet access for my laptop. I just went to a Verizon aircard demo and that may be the missing link for a few of my company's executives. Of course I'll have to do some thorough testing of it first!
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